From barryakunz at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 01:38:43 2001 From: barryakunz at hotmail.com (Barry Kunz) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:04 2003 Subject: Hell Freezes Over Message-ID: Great job. I wish more big tournaments were strict Jade since Dragon is stronger in that format. For your sake, I hope a "split the money" deal was struck before you played your final four game. I eagerly await your report. Congrats again. Togashi Zembu Dragon Clan Addict . Hatamoto >From: >Subject: Hell Freezes Over >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:26:23 -0400 > >Newsflash: Normal, Illinois. > > >Dragon Honor/PK/Dueling makes it to the Final Four at the Abandoning >the Fortunes $1000 tournament, run by myself. I would have done better, >but my brain completely shut down during the match against a Spirit >Attack deck, and I made the most boneheaded plays... ever. I went 8-2 >for the day, and went into the final 16 at 2nd seed (5-1 in Swiss). > >Final four was: CTB (Conrad Jackson), Spirit Attack (Michael >Kallenbach), Akodo Crane (Noel Meyer), Dragon Honour (Lucas Twyman). > >Report and decklist to follow once I get some sleep. > > >Lucas Twyman >Kitsuki Iyoku >Samurai - Magistrate - Spirit of Sanzo > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Dragncln1 at aol.com Mon Jun 18 02:27:55 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Hell Freezes Over Message-ID: <5b.17835742.285eeb5b@aol.com> In a message dated 6/17/2001 8:27:19 PM Central Daylight Time, ltwyman@gmu.edu writes: > > Dragon Honor/PK/Dueling makes it to the Final Four at the Abandoning > the Fortunes $1000 tournament, run by myself. I would have done better, > but my brain completely shut down during the match against a Spirit > Attack deck, and I made the most boneheaded plays... ever. I went 8-2 > for the day, and went into the final 16 at 2nd seed (5-1 in Swiss). > > Final four was: CTB (Conrad Jackson), Spirit Attack (Michael > Kallenbach), Akodo Crane (Noel Meyer), Dragon Honour (Lucas Twyman). > > Report and decklist to follow once I get some sleep. > > > Lucas Twyman > Kitsuki Iyoku > Samurai - Magistrate - Spirit of Sanzo > > > Well done Iyoku San. Its a tremendous effort to just organize and run a tournament much less take 4th in the process. otts...Banzi otts...Banzi otts...Banzi Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010618/282aae7a/attachment.html From bbalbastre at multimania.com Mon Jun 18 04:26:21 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Hi Message-ID: <992856700015897@multimania.com> > I am new to the list and I am happy to be among the > members of my Clan. Hopefully together we can stand > off the onslaught of the Lion and Phoenix. > > Togashi Tenryuu > -Yokuni Guard- Hello and welcome in this place... I'm sure you will find what you hope here. Best regards Kitsuki Jitsuma Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate* Tactician*Samoura?* ______________________________________________________ E-mail gratuit - Multimania - http://www.multimania.fr From hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 02:06:10 2001 From: hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com (Togashi Tenryuu) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: advanced school for the rpg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010618080610.99281.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> > Requirements: Rank 5 in Fire, Void, Shintao, and > Nazado. Dragon Clan only. > >> > rank 5 in fire would be inapprpriate for agroup of > watchers i would > think....these stat requirements are more the line > of a duelist than a > watcher, trust me..ehehe...my first and still best > character in RPG was a > duelist, strong fire and void.....something more > along the lines of > perception or maybe a requirement of rank 4 > fire/void/air would be > better?...just a thought Hmm I see your point. I mainly picked fire because it seemed to be the Dragon's specialty.. Agasha.. Swordmasters. Perhaps 4 Fire 4 Void 4 Air. Less on the traits but more varied. Yes they are watchers, but they also serve as Yojimbo to young, well maybe not so young anymore, Satsu. Thanks for the thoughts! ===== Togashi Tenryuu Mirumoto Swordmaster -Yokuni Guard- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From bbalbastre at multimania.com Mon Jun 18 05:00:25 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Local repport (Paris) : 4/1 Message-ID: <992858777025603@multimania.com> Hello, I've played a little tourney sunday : 19 players met in Ostelen, the L5R place of Paris. Round 1 : spirit honnor without shrine He was faster than me for the start, with 6 provinces he can have more holdings, but with time and turn I came back slowly. When he reached 35, I had 30, iai art, ancestral sword and Daini give me the game... 1/0 Round 2 : military naga player It is a good ratling player, but choose the snake today. The party was very fast, 3 iai art, 12th black scroll, 2 duels, bring me 40 honnor points easly, in 6 turns. I even won the last battle with white shore plain... 2/0 Round 3 : Lion tactician I'd never won against him, but yesterday luck were with me, duel against a tactician are very hazardous except if you have Yoshi on the table, iai art give again some honnor point. The partie was easied by the very personnalities my oponent had... I loose my first province before winning... 3/0 Round 4 : New akasha naga Chance is not allways on the way... First turn, the return of fuleng... I loose two provinces in the fourth first turns, but got the 12th black scroll, which was duplicate during his turn... Unlucky, I've made some mistakes (iai art on Toritaka Kitao...),and lost my two last provinces. 3/1 Round 5 : Yogo tower military/doom The deck of my oponent had more than 40 cards, near 50... He had no personnalities be 3th turns, I'd time to take a province with a white shore plain... I raised to 30 fastly, and lost one province, get 35 and defend one of my province as soul of thunder was on Daini.. One duel, white shore plains and favor make me won the battlle and the game... 4/1 The 1st, 2nd, 3th and 4th had all 4 victories and 1 defeat, I were 4th, for the naga who won against me were not so good... Kitsuki Jitsuma Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate* Tactician*Samoura?* ______________________________________________________ E-mail gratuit - Multimania - http://www.multimania.fr From Dragncln1 at aol.com Mon Jun 18 06:11:13 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Local repport (Paris) : 4/1 Message-ID: <67.15972942.285f1fb1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/18/2001 3:12:31 AM Central Daylight Time, bbalbastre@multimania.com writes: > > The 1st, 2nd, 3th and 4th had all 4 victories and 1 > defeat, I were 4th, for the naga who won against me > were not so good... > > > > > > Kitsuki Jitsuma > Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate* > Tactician*Samoura?* > Well done Jitsuma San. Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010618/bd96f5cd/attachment.html From loki at bu.edu Mon Jun 18 09:35:49 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Hell Freezes Over In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 ltwyman@gmu.edu wrote: > Newsflash: Normal, Illinois. Awesome Lucas! Simply Awesome! Keep it up! Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Mon Jun 18 09:39:38 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Local repport (Paris) : 4/1 In-Reply-To: <992858777025603@multimania.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Bruno BALBASTRE wrote: > Hello, > > I've played a little tourney sunday : 19 players met in > Ostelen, the L5R place of Paris. [snip tourney report] Well, it seems we're all doing very well for ourselves these days. Bravo! Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From Gareth.Hanrahan at raidtec.ie Mon Jun 18 15:27:25 2001 From: Gareth.Hanrahan at raidtec.ie (Gareth Hanrahan) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: "Soul of" in Gold Message-ID: <01061814272511.10233@mytholder> Remember the debate about the new personalities who have the "soul of X" trait, and how people said you couldn't use your old personalities in Gold decks instead of the reprints? This is from a Raymond Lau interview on the stronghold... (www.welcome.to/the_stronghold) SH: Now, a question about Souls. The most pressing concern about them is if the old incarnations of Souls will be usable in Gold-only sanctioned tournaments, or will players be forced to use the new Gold versions? RL: Players can use the old versions as well. They just can't have three of one version and three of another in their deck. Comments? Gar http://www.mytholder.f2s.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 15:10:46 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: A Fresh Start Message-ID: Greetings One and All, Gold will quickly be upon us, and the freshnness of a new Spring is in the air. With this fresh start I think and old item should be brought to light for the first time (basically I was saving it for the proper moment :)). It might help regain some momentum in the Dragon L5R movement. If you would all be patient with me for a moment or two I would like to introduce something I contributed to and worked on over a six month period and well over a year ago. I say contributed too, because this was truly a group effort. Hanrahag, Caeldiin, Avatar, Jaek, Mallot, Pukku, Okami, Kyn, Sutero, Torgismo, Iyoku, Shriyu, Bujun, Pukku, Kagetora, Josh, and Don (If I left anyone off this list please correct me immediately and accept my apologies... ) have all already weighed in on the content. All found it acceptable save one (I am sure more won't either, but more on that later ;)). We Dragons encourage each and everyone to walk their own path, no reason this should be any different, neh? The actual document will appear in a following email. This email is simply to set the correct expectations. The document is a story/flavor text contribution. As you read the document, clearly it's flavor is more to the HDM's sense of things (although I am pretty sure these things are as Togashi and Hoshi saw them). I am posting cross list just so everyone knows what it says. If you care to post this elsewhere, please let us know and provide proper credit, pretty much the standard courteosy (obviously you can change the place where my name appears). Lastly L5R is just a game, and this is just one way to make that more enjoyable for some of us, nothing more. Now if you like it great, there are some thoughts on what to do with it for more fun, and I will be at GenCon should we wish to pursue any of those avenues. If you do not like it that is fine too, please let me know why if you would be so kind. This is not some special secret part of the Dragon, it is only as I (and a few others) see the world. Besides the HDM which is a subset of the Dragon Clan as a whole, the only requirement for membership into the Dragon has been and will continue to revolve around being a DRAGON Member of the Imperial Assembly, and playing storyline tourneys as a DRAGON (and yet it is not limited to or even reqired to complete even this few things). The following document and the rest is your own path to choose... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 15:17:36 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: [HDM] A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Mirumoto Shokan, pledge my life for the Dragon. Oath by Hitomi Caeldiin, Hida Togeriso, Mirumoto Shokan, and others. ********************************************************************** I would like to dedicate my Oath to Hida Okami, Hida Tetsuo, and Bayushi Murai. Friends and allies do not have to wear your Clan's colors... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 15:20:22 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Hell Freezes Over Message-ID: Greetings, Iyoku, congratulations my brother. Sleep well tonight as it will be my honor to watch over you. We are all proud and grateful of your deeds on our behalf... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan >From: >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:26:23 -0400 > >Newsflash: Normal, Illinois. > > >Dragon Honor/PK/Dueling makes it to the Final Four at the Abandoning >the Fortunes $1000 tournament, run by myself. I would have done better, >but my brain completely shut down during the match against a Spirit >Attack deck, and I made the most boneheaded plays... ever. I went 8-2 >for the day, and went into the final 16 at 2nd seed (5-1 in Swiss). > >Final four was: CTB (Conrad Jackson), Spirit Attack (Michael >Kallenbach), Akodo Crane (Noel Meyer), Dragon Honour (Lucas Twyman). > >Report and decklist to follow once I get some sleep. > > >Lucas Twyman >Kitsuki Iyoku >Samurai - Magistrate - Spirit of Sanzo > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 15:57:33 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Local repport (Paris) : 4/1 Message-ID: Greetings, Congratulations bother! It seems as if we are on to something here. That or we are just getting lucky ;). Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan >bbalbastre@multimania.com writes: > >The 1st, 2nd, 3th and 4th had all 4 victories and 1 >defeat, I were 4th, for the naga who won against me >were not so good... > >Kitsuki Jitsuma _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From loki at bu.edu Mon Jun 18 13:09:21 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: Brothers, I will be playing in the upcoming Connecticut Kotei. Having not placed as highly as I'd have liked in the Mass Kotei, it's time for Hakanin to go in for a rematch. I am thinking of playing a tattooed blitz military deck, and wished to ask those in the group with some success in this deck archetype for some advice. Please, peruse the decklist below, and supply any comments. I'd especially appreciate any advice that comes from play experience with similar decks. :) SH: Kyuden Hitomi Sensei: Kisada Sensei I've also considered using Iron Mountain and Kaede Sensei, though I'm not so sure about that. DYNASTY: Personalities(18): 3x Hitomi Iyojin 3x Hitomi Akuai 3x Hitomi Nakuso 3x Hitomi Kazaq These are the most "staple" tattooed military personalities, I think. Iyojin is cheap, has a decent ability, Akuai is an awesome 3/3 for 6, Nakuso detones opposing Samurai (almost makes me think I should pack a Fortress of the Dragonfly.. :P ), and Kazaq eats followers for breakfast (buh-bye Toturi's Army. ). 2x Togashi Senai 3x Hitomi Kobai 1x Hitomi Tashima These six peeps are of less of a given for the deck, I am less sure of their inclusion. I've thought of adding Gennai, but have 2 concerns. One is that he has a 0HR. Senai is the only personality here with an honor requirement. I don't want too many ppl with HR more than '-', due to the Corrupt Gold Mines. OTOH, the card drawing abils. of Gennai are quite nice..Perhaps I could swap Senai out for Gennai? Which have people found to be more useful? Kobai almost makes me think Poisoned Weapon, just for battle PK of anyone with 3Chi or less...but my fate Deck is already sizeable... Holdings(16): 3x Gold Mine 3x Large Farm 3x Corrupt gold Mine 3x Small Farm 3x Merchant Caravant 1x Charter of the Dragon Clan I've considered using Jade Works, since that provides better fit in the gold scheme (lots of the personalities here come in cheap off a Jade Works). But Large Farm makes bigger Ashigaru and works well with farmlands..what do people think? Events(5): 1x Inheritance 1x Imperial gift 1x As the Shadow Falls 1x In Times of War 1x Kachiko's Kiss Inheritance and Imperial Gift are obvious, As the Shadow Falls and In Times of War are honor metagame (do people think I should pack Doom of the Crane as well? I'm hoping to just crush provinces fast enough that that won't matter). Kachiko's Kiss is to get rid of the Favor-with Akuai, it's almost Guaranteed not to come up again. :) Does anyone think Iris Festival is worth the effort? I could pitch it with Akuai if I wasn't playing SLH, but then, that's one more card of bloating, so I don't think I'll add it. Regions(3): 3x Farmlands Total 42 Two cards over-so what do I cut? FATE Tattoos(12): 3x Dragon Tattoo 3x Dragonfly Tattoo 3x Mountain Tattoo 3x Hummingbird Tattoo I do not want to go over 12 tattoos, more would probably be too many. The only other ones I've thought of using are Centipede and Crane-what is people's experience with them? Force Boosts(9): 3x Charge 3x Destiny has no Secrets 3x Frenzy Perhaps I will cut Frenzy for One Life, One Action or Ambush..? Poisoned Weapon? So many good cards, so little time! Followers(6): 3x Ashigaru 2x Tattooed Men 1x Warriors of the Great Climb* I had considered Berserkers(in place of Tattooed Men)..opinions? Battle Support(6): 3x Superior Tactics 3x Rallying Cry Items: 1x Ancestral Sword of the Dragon Clan* 1x Gohei's Daisho MISC: 1x Ring of the Void* 3x Take the Initiative I think this deck could do well if it went first, hence the 3 Takes. Kiho(1): 1x Hitomi's Glare* FETA meta. Only grabbed for use if needed. Sensei: 1x Kisada Sensei Total: 41 Again-What to cut? Most of the fate deck is free. I'm thinking I'll run this under Kyuden Hitomi. Cards under SH are marked with *. Any suggestions what other card to stick under there? I am thinking I might want to free up some space for One Life, One Action and/or Ambush-Ambush would be nice PK, and it combos nicely with Hummingbird tattoo. Any suggestions on what I might cut for them? Also, I don't know what I should put under the SH for my last card. Poisoned Weapon has also come to mind, both as an anti-Duelling card and as personality kill with Kobai. I am also starting to wonder if using force boosts so much is a good idea. I mean..if there's actually a defender at the province, it's a serious problem for me. Since as I play my force boosts, the defender could be using duels and the like to kill my personalities(and they're vulnerable to In Search of the Future)..it makes me wonder if I shouldn't cut them in favor of Sneak+Deadly..OTOH, Centipede tattoos could help me ensure provinces were undefended too.. Thos of you who've played successful blitz tattooed military, please lend me your advice. Else, I'll have to go back to honor PK duelling or dishonor, which I play/know a little better. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From hidaokami at ureach.com Mon Jun 18 14:55:02 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: <200106181755.NAA06544@www22.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rob Bowman (bowman_rob@hotmail.com) wrote: > I would like to dedicate my Oath to Hida Okami, Hida Tetsuo, and Bayushi Murai. Friends and allies do not have to wear your Clan's colors... You do me a great honor, friend and brother. While I may be a Crab as well, I am proud to stand beside you and say "I am Dragon" as well. Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From skt0870 at siena.edu Mon Jun 18 15:01:22 2001 From: skt0870 at siena.edu (skt0870) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <3AFE76AD@claven.its.siena.edu> This has been the deck type that I've been most feared for in my area, so I'll give you my comments. I can't say they're definative...I just think they work well. >SH: Kyuden Hitomi >Sensei: Kisada Sensei >I've also considered using Iron Mountain and Kaede Sensei, though I'm not >so sure about that. Iron Mt. w/ Kaede is the way to go for me. I'll explain why later. >DYNASTY: >Personalities(18): >3x Hitomi Iyojin >3x Hitomi Akuai >3x Hitomi Nakuso >3x Hitomi Kazaq > >These are the most "staple" tattooed military personalities, I think. >Iyojin is cheap, has a decent ability, Akuai is an awesome 3/3 for 6, >Nakuso detones opposing Samurai (almost makes me think I should pack a >Fortress of the Dragonfly.. :P ), and Kazaq eats followers for breakfast >(buh-bye Toturi's Army. ). all good >2x Togashi Senai >3x Hitomi Kobai >1x Hitomi Tashima bring senai up to 3 and add 3 dajan. the 0HR is easier to get with Iron Mt. and a 3/3 with a self-pump ability is pretty damn good. besides, you can always pitch him if your honor gets too low. I also run Akuma nonexp because he's big, he's free, and if you get an Iyojin 1st turn, that's 10 force hitting the table. >Holdings(16): >3x Gold Mine >3x Large Farm >3x Corrupt gold Mine >3x Small Farm >3x Merchant Caravant >1x Charter of the Dragon Clan too many holdings, drop the large farms and just go with the 13 that are left. >Events(5): >1x Inheritance >1x Imperial gift >1x As the Shadow Falls >1x In Times of War >1x Kachiko's Kiss I run: 1x Inheritance 1x Kachiko's Kiss 1x Troll Raiders >Regions(3): >3x Farmlands I'd go with 2 of these and a GSP >Total 42 >Two cards over-so what do I cut? > >FATE >Tattoos(12): >3x Dragon Tattoo >3x Dragonfly Tattoo >3x Mountain Tattoo >3x Hummingbird Tattoo I'm running: 2x Dragon tat 3x Mountain tat 3x Dragonfly 2x Centipede >Force Boosts(9): >3x Charge >3x Destiny has no Secrets >3x Frenzy I have the destiny's and 3x Wedge. People with pumped dragon tats don't live long when I'm playing. ;) >Followers(6): >3x Ashigaru >2x Tattooed Men >1x Warriors of the Great Climb* I run: 3x Berserkers 2x Tattooed Men 1x Warriors of the Great climb >Battle Support(6): >3x Superior Tactics >3x Rallying Cry you NEED sneak/deadly in there to stop in search's or annoying send-home actions. >Items: >1x Ancestral Sword of the Dragon Clan* >1x Gohei's Daisho I'm only running the daisho because the sword is too expensive for my "no more than 5 turns" style of running the deck. Basically, the way it's set up, I always take a province turn 2. It's blitz in the extreme. This is due to the fact that if the game lasts very long, you tend to lose horribly. The power curve is very early in the game. So it's a balls-to-the-wall all out attack. But it's also fun. And those SOLID decks you've been hearing about? Runs them over most of the time cause you don't need any resources, and nearly all your gold is free. I may have missed stuff, but I think you get the idea. Btw, I'll be at the Kotei as well. I can't decide if I want to do dishonor or something else. Time will tell, but I'll see you there! :) Togashi Dokuei *Tattooed*Tactition*Shadowlands*Will only join Dragon Clan* From mkd8 at cornell.edu Mon Jun 18 16:16:25 2001 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:05 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack Deck for Connecticut Kotei In-Reply-To: <3AFE76AD@claven.its.siena.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.2.20010618150222.00bbe100@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> Since everyone seems to be posting their decks, I was hoping that people could look this over... unfortunately I don't have a few of the cards that I need (Merchant Caravans, 2 more Sneak attacks, Inheritance, Imperial Gift), so I had to do the best I could with my card base. Here it is so far: Iron Mountain Kisada Sensei Dynasty: Personalities: Hitomi exp3 Hitomi Dajan x3 Hitomi Akuai x3 Hitomi Kazaq x2 Togashi Mio x2 Hitomi Nakuso x2 Mirumoto Taki x2 (might take him out, but not sure what to put in instead) Togashi Senai x3 Mirumoto Uso x3 Agasha Gennai x2 Regions: Farmlands x1 Plains Above Evil x1 Events: Bandit Raids x1 Holdings: Small Farm x3 Large Farm x3 Jade Works x3 Gold Mine x3 Sanctified Temple x1 Charter of the Dragon Clan x1 Fate Deck: Actions: Sneak Attack x1 (I don't have any more) Counterattack x3 Rallying Cry x3 Superior Tactics x3 Nemesis x1 Charge x3 Frenzy x3 Concede Defeat x1 Confusion at the Court x2 Moment of Brilliance x3 Tattoos: Mountain Tattoo x3 Hummingbird Tattoo x2 Dragonfly Tattoo x2 Dragon Tattoo x3 Followers: Ashigaru x3 Mercenaries x1 Warriors of the Great Climb x1 Items: Ancestral Sword of Dragon Clan x1 Ring of the Void x1 From vaartjes at rendo.dekooi.nl Mon Jun 18 22:45:00 2001 From: vaartjes at rendo.dekooi.nl (Albert-Jan Vaartjes) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Togashi Appei, also pledge my life for the Dragon. Oath by Hitomi Caeldiin, Hida Togeriso, Mirumoto Shokan, and others. ********************************************************************** From zelphan at innet.com Mon Jun 18 16:52:21 2001 From: zelphan at innet.com (Zelphan) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Hell Freezes Over References: Message-ID: <004901c0f830$3013da60$0600a8c0@zelphan> Anyone know who won the kotei? Conrad is a freind of mine and is bussing home... From dhanauer at vt.edu Mon Jun 18 19:18:16 2001 From: dhanauer at vt.edu (Donald Hanauer, II) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010618181816.007a1a00@mail.vt.edu> A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Mirumoto Taikishi, also pledge my life for the Dragon. Mirumoto Taikishi - Dragon Clan Duelist * Toturi's Army Samurai * Member of the Wolf Legion From MechWar13 at aol.com Mon Jun 18 22:44:16 2001 From: MechWar13 at aol.com (MechWar13@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: <37.16b47a11.28600870@aol.com> ditto Mirumoto Hanzo Dragon Clan Samurai Scorpion Clan Assassin From frostylad at excite.com Mon Jun 18 21:10:27 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <30638465.992920227651.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> > SH: Kyuden Hitomi > Sensei: Kisada Sensei > > I've also considered using Iron Mountain and Kaede Sensei, though I'm not > so sure about that. Let me interject that you don't have to be afraid of it. Either strategy works well. > DYNASTY: > Personalities(18): > 3x Hitomi Iyojin > 3x Hitomi Akuai > 3x Hitomi Nakuso > 3x Hitomi Kazaq > 2x Togashi Senai > 3x Hitomi Kobai > 1x Hitomi Tashima > > Holdings(16): > 3x Gold Mine > 3x Large Farm > 3x Corrupt gold Mine > 3x Small Farm > 3x Merchant Caravant > 1x Charter of the Dragon Clan > > Events(5): > 1x Inheritance > 1x Imperial gift > 1x As the Shadow Falls > 1x In Times of War > 1x Kachiko's Kiss > > Regions(3): > 3x Farmlands > > Total 42 > Two cards over-so what do I cut? More peeps and fewer holdings. Either Large Farm or CGMs should go; 13 is a good holding number. Put in a third Senai because he's so good if he comes up early. Add the Iyojin overlay, too. Then drop 2 Farmlands and put in a GSP, at least. I'd prefer GSP and a Plains of Otosan Uchi, to prevent Tashima conflict and add speed. Also, consider Imperial Ambassadorship in the event pile. Speeding your fate is both useful and important in this deck style. > FATE > Tattoos(12): > 3x Dragon Tattoo > 3x Dragonfly Tattoo > 3x Mountain Tattoo > 3x Hummingbird Tattoo Centipede is better than Hummingbird. With no Tattoo Madness, this is probably just about the right number of tats. > Force Boosts(9): > 3x Charge > 3x Destiny has no Secrets > 3x Frenzy Geez, I use so few of these... I'd keep the Destinies because of good versatility, but I don't see the Charges and Frenzies as particularly necessary. > Followers(6): > 3x Ashigaru > 2x Tattooed Men > 1x Warriors of the Great Climb* > > I had considered Berserkers(in place of Tattooed Men)..opinions? Do it. Tattooed Men are okay, but Berzerkers are great. For a free follower, I prefer Bandit Gang (props to Sutero-san). > Battle Support(6): > 3x Superior Tactics > 3x Rallying Cry > > Items: > 1x Ancestral Sword of the Dragon Clan* > 1x Gohei's Daisho The good book. Don't run military without it. > MISC: > 1x Ring of the Void* > 3x Take the Initiative > > I think this deck could do well if it went first, hence the 3 Takes. Test it both ways. I know I played Kyuden Hitomi THC for, like, a year and a half without Takes, and had no problems. In fact, I tried Takes and liked it better without them. > Kiho(1): > 1x Hitomi's Glare* > > FETA meta. Only grabbed for use if needed. Good idea. > Sensei: > 1x Kisada Sensei > > Total: 41 > Again-What to cut? Sneak Attacks? Deadlies? Whatever you do, pack the Egg to get maximimum mileage out of your tats. You might want to look for some PK/denial. Toturi is Drugged, Test of Honor, or Ambush would probably be best. -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From zelphan at innet.com Tue Jun 19 00:36:53 2001 From: zelphan at innet.com (Zelphan) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei References: <30638465.992920227651.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0f871$1558ade0$0600a8c0@zelphan> Im also testing out a Tatto BLitz but for SE kotei.. The people I playtest against are too quick for the deck. ( The monk that Won NE and the CTB deck in 'hell frezzez over' ) SO they are awsome when it comes to playtest.. once I get the deck fast enough to beat them or at least give them a run for their money.. I know it'll be ready for Kotei. - Zelphan Dragon Clan Addict ( will post the newest version after tomarrows playtest session ) From mkd8 at cornell.edu Tue Jun 19 00:38:14 2001 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010618181816.007a1a00@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.2.20010618233646.00c10ce8@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Tamori Shosei, also pledge my life for the Dragon. Tamori Shosei Dragon Clan Alchemist * Tattooed * Inexperienced From bbalbastre at multimania.com Tue Jun 19 10:37:43 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > A DRAGON'S OATH > > > We are Dragon. > We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the > moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan > or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. > > We are Dragon. > We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the > pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy > evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, > the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. > > We are Dragon. > We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the > thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded > to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. > > I am Dragon. > Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my > ancestors, and my Clan: > I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. > I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. > I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor > of the Empire. I pledge my life to truth, honesty and compassion. I, Kitsuki Jitsuma, pledge my life for the Dragon. From 1allloni at rigel.deusto.es Tue Jun 19 12:03:56 2001 From: 1allloni at rigel.deusto.es (Neo) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: [HDM] New to list In-Reply-To: <20010617065821.10412.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B2F319C.27630.501117@localhost> Date sent: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse Cox Subject: [HDM] New to list To: hdm@thedragonclan.com Send reply to: hdm@thedragonclan.com > Konnichiwa! > > At last I find the home of the Dragon. I am most > honored to be among you. With the coming war against > the Phoenix and Lion, it is good to know that I have > you all by my side! > > Togashi Tenryuu > -Yokuni Guard- Let me be one of the first to greet you for getting to the Dragon Lands. Hitomi Sendatsu Everybody knows my stats and abilities, so why should I post ?m again? "Welcome to your destiny, young Dragon. Every sword will be needed when the threats to the Empire dicover themselves" --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From Dragncln1 at aol.com Tue Jun 19 06:51:47 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <35.16b8e586.28607ab3@aol.com> In a message dated 6/18/2001 10:12:09 PM Central Daylight Time, frostylad@excite.com writes: > > > FATE > > Tattoos(12): > > 3x Dragon Tattoo > > 3x Dragonfly Tattoo > > 3x Mountain Tattoo > > 3x Hummingbird Tattoo > > Centipede is better than Hummingbird. With no Tattoo Madness, this is > probably just about the right number of tats. > Right on Brother. Mobility is the key. > > Force Boosts(9): > > 3x Charge > > 3x Destiny has no Secrets > > 3x Frenzy > > Geez, I use so few of these... > I'd keep the Destinies because of good versatility, but I don't see the > Charges and Frenzies as particularly necessary. > The frenzies will use up Your followers, and sometimes its one You really don't want to loose. Slight difference of style here I would keep the charges, loose the destiny's & Frenzies, (I don't like showing My hand but that's just a personal preference), and if You have them add Coordinated strike x 3, or Ikoma Technique x 3. > > Followers(6): > > 3x Ashigaru > > 2x Tattooed Men > > 1x Warriors of the Great Climb* > > > > I had considered Berserkers(in place of Tattooed Men)..opinions? > > Do it. Tattooed Men are okay, but Berzerkers are great. > For a free follower, I prefer Bandit Gang (props to Sutero-san). Thanks for the plug Jeff San. (Bows.) I too prefer Berzerkers to tattoo men. > > > Battle Support(6): > > 3x Superior Tactics > > 3x Rallying Cry > > > > Items: > > 1x Ancestral Sword of the Dragon Clan* > > 1x Gohei's Daisho > > The good book. Don't run military without it. > > > MISC: > > 1x Ring of the Void* > > 3x Take the Initiative > > > > I think this deck could do well if it went first, hence the 3 Takes. > > Test it both ways. I know I played Kyuden Hitomi THC for, like, a year and > a half without Takes, and had no problems. In fact, I tried Takes and > liked it better without them. > If You decide to play Kyuden Hitomi I would suggest the takes x 3 and if Iron Mt. without them. Just a preference. > > Kiho(1): > > 1x Hitomi's Glare* > > > > FETA meta. Only grabbed for use if needed. > > Good idea. > > > Sensei: > > 1x Kisada Sensei > > > > Total: 41 > > Again-What to cut? > > Sneak Attacks? Deadlies? > Whatever you do, pack the Egg to get maximimum mileage out of your tats. > You might want to look for some PK/denial. Toturi is Drugged, Test of > Honor, or Ambush would probably be best. What Jeff said. (Bows) Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010619/d3285891/attachment.html From bbalbastre at multimania.com Tue Jun 19 13:48:43 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Report (List) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Greetings, > > Congratulations bother! It seems as if we are on to something here. That > or we are just getting lucky ;). > > Take care, > Rob- Mirumoto Shokan Thanks evrybody for the congratulations. I give you my deck list : Dinasty : 41 regions/events : 9 1x Golden Sun Plain 2x sorrow's path 1x Birth of the sword 1x test of stone 1x soul of thunder 1x inheritance 1 imperial gift 1x imperial quest Holdings : (14) 15 (2x corrupted gold mine) 3x small farm (for HDMer) 3x Merchant caravan 1x charter of the dragon 3x gold mine 3x kabuki theater 2x forteress of the Dragonfly perso : 17 2x Mirumoto Yuyake 3x Togashi Shinseken 2x Mirumoto Uso 3x tamori chosai 3x Mirumoto daini 2x kitsuki Yasu 2x Togashi Yoshi Fate : kiho : 8 2x Hitsu-do (could be change for (Fist of the earth or Ryoshun's last word) 3x Purity of the spirit 3x wind's truth Duels : 12 3x Enaught talk 3x iai art 3x iaijutsu challenge 3x iaijutsu duel other supports : 9 2x walking the way 2x imperial edicts 2x focus 3x avoid fate tactical cards : 10 1x Akodo sensei 2x The Sun returns (one is missing) 3x white shore plains 2x luring tactics 2x tactical maneuver Items and rings : 4 1x ring of void 1x ring of earth 1x ancestral sword 1x 12th black scroll Kitsuki Jitsuma Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate*Tactician*Samoura?* From togashilove at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 15:19:36 2001 From: togashilove at hotmail.com (John Panagiotakis) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I Togashi Agozatsu pledge my life to the Dragon. -Togashi Agozatsu- Dragon Clan Tattooed Samurai Deep Space Blue Team Lt. "I need a samurai driven by courage, not by revenge. I need your strength, Hitomi, not your hatred." -Toturi "You will get what I give you, ronin." -Hitomi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From loki at bu.edu Tue Jun 19 11:19:53 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei In-Reply-To: <35.16b8e586.28607ab3@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 Dragncln1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/18/2001 10:12:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > frostylad@excite.com writes: > > > FATE > > > Tattoos(12): > > > 3x Dragon Tattoo > > > 3x Dragonfly Tattoo > > > 3x Mountain Tattoo > > > 3x Hummingbird Tattoo > > > > Centipede is better than Hummingbird. With no Tattoo Madness, this is > > probably just about the right number of tats. > > > Right on Brother. Mobility is the key. I was suspecting that too..plus Centipede prevents peeps from moving into the battle, including defenders, if I read it right. > > > Force Boosts(9): > > > 3x Charge > > > 3x Destiny has no Secrets > > > 3x Frenzy > > > > Geez, I use so few of these... > > I'd keep the Destinies because of good versatility, but I don't see the > > Charges and Frenzies as particularly necessary. > > > The frenzies will use up Your followers, and sometimes its one You really > don't want to loose. Slight difference of style here I would keep the > charges, loose the destiny's & Frenzies, (I don't like showing My hand but > that's just a personal preference), and if You have them add Coordinated > strike x 3, or Ikoma Technique x 3. I've been finding this more and more in playtest, so I'm going to swap out the Frenzies in favor of Coordinated Strikes if I can find 'em, just because Ikoma Tech costs gold. > > > Followers(6): > > > 3x Ashigaru > > > 2x Tattooed Men > > > 1x Warriors of the Great Climb* > > > > > > I had considered Berserkers(in place of Tattooed Men)..opinions? > > > > Do it. Tattooed Men are okay, but Berzerkers are great. > > For a free follower, I prefer Bandit Gang (props to Sutero-san). > > Thanks for the plug Jeff San. (Bows.) I too prefer Berzerkers to tattoo men. I've already toggled in the Berserkers. :) On Bandit Gangs-Don't y'all find that 2G per follower at resolution cost stacks up? Or do you just count on the fact that you'll never see all three because the game will be over THAT fast? > > > Battle Support(6): > > > 3x Superior Tactics > > > 3x Rallying Cry > > > > > > Items: > > > 1x Ancestral Sword of the Dragon Clan* > > > 1x Gohei's Daisho > > > > The good book. Don't run military without it. Good Lord! What was I thinking forgetting that! > > > MISC: > > > 1x Ring of the Void* > > > 3x Take the Initiative > > > > > > I think this deck could do well if it went first, hence the 3 Takes. > > > > Test it both ways. I know I played Kyuden Hitomi THC for, like, a year and > > a half without Takes, and had no problems. In fact, I tried Takes and > > liked it better without them. > > > > If You decide to play Kyuden Hitomi I would suggest the takes x 3 and if Iron > Mt. without them. Just a preference. I'm thinking I might run it under Iron Mountain, just so I can strip out the Takes...problem is then I can't run my Kisada Sensei. Booh hoo. And I lose my instant access to Hitomi's Glare...hmmm.. > > > Kiho(1): > > > 1x Hitomi's Glare* > > > > > > FETA meta. Only grabbed for use if needed. > > > > Good idea. I'm thinking I'll kick this up to 3 copies, and run myself off Iron Mountain. > > > Sensei: > > > 1x Kisada Sensei > > > > > > Total: 41 > > > Again-What to cut? > > > > Sneak Attacks? Deadlies? > > Whatever you do, pack the Egg to get maximimum mileage out of your tats. > > You might want to look for some PK/denial. Toturi is Drugged, Test of > > Honor, or Ambush would probably be best. > > What Jeff said. > > (Bows) I was thinking Sneak/Storms, actually. Maybe I can find room for both... And I've definitely decided that Ambush is my friend. :) Now I just need to go find someone with a spare Egg... Revised Decklist coming up for another round of critique and playtest. :) Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From zelphan at innet.com Tue Jun 19 11:35:50 2001 From: zelphan at innet.com (Zelphan) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei References: Message-ID: <004201c0f8cd$23147020$0600a8c0@zelphan> This deck is really starting to look like mine hehe.. Except as a side note the hitomis glares aren't your awnser to enlightenment.. Vs. a good enlightenment ( or feta ) u really only have 1 round where there is more then 1 ring played.. ( sometimes ) remember .. Finding doesn't count as playing a ring. also a good enlightenment will know whats in your hand and be prepped for it. in mine I took a differnt route. The only way we beat a good enlightment is speed. if we can crush them before they get out 5.. we win. So I run Temptations of the Flesh.. it buys me a turn... - Zelphan From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Tue Jun 19 22:11:56 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:06 2003 Subject: advanced school for the rpg References: <20010617075432.34652.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c0f8f3$b8b3b3e0$adf838d5@wanadoo.fr> > Hello, > > I was working on an idea for an advance school for the > RPG for the Gold time frame. Any ideas and > suggestions would be welcomed. > > Thanks > Togashi Tenryuu > -Yokuni Guard- > > > The Yokuni Guard > The Yokuni Guard serves two purposes. The first of > which is the protection of Togashi Yoshune. Does that mean I finally get some help for my job ? ^_^ Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 21:43:45 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: Greetings, You are my friend and brother as well. You deserve any and all honors you get here. We need to talk more, I miss our correspondence. Any chance you are going to GenCon? Regardless, be well... . Take care my friend, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan >From: Shaun Scott >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:55:02 -0400 >---- On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rob Bowman (bowman_rob@hotmail.com) >wrote: > > > I would like to dedicate my Oath to Hida Okami, Hida Tetsuo, >and Bayushi Murai. Friends and allies do not have to wear >your Clan's colors... > >You do me a great honor, friend and brother. While I may be a >Crab as well, I am proud to stand beside you and say "I am >Dragon" as well. > > >Regards, >Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami >Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison >Father of the Breakfast Technique >HidaOkami@ureach.com > >"Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are >a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jplindberg at surfeu.fi Wed Jun 20 02:17:44 2001 From: jplindberg at surfeu.fi (Petteri Lindberg) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Togashi Pette, pledge my life for the Dragon. From kewlfrogz at triad.rr.com Tue Jun 19 19:11:39 2001 From: kewlfrogz at triad.rr.com (kewlfrogz) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I Tamori Ikecha pledge my life to the Dragon. ~*~Tamori Ikecha~*~ Dragon Clan Shugenja * Retired Monk * Triad Teacher of the Tao Keeper of the Triad Chronicles www.geocities.com/kewlfrogz From cpsmith at partslink.com Tue Jun 19 17:18:22 2001 From: cpsmith at partslink.com (Carl Smith) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Hitomi Dragon Dancer, pledge my life for the Dragon. Hitomi Dragon Dancer Ex Dragon Clan Monk * Shugenja * Edge walker ----------------------------------------- Wait for me dragon, we'll meet in the sky, By fire and magic I am sworn, Hell is calling! We cannot be denied Fly to the blackness of the storm, We must die to be reborn! From KEVHC at aol.com Tue Jun 19 20:55:30 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: I poop on HDM!! HDM is fun. Insta-win! Again, read this as build the better decks and beat my corrupt butt at GenCon!!! FYI Rob and all, my GENCON deck is EXTREMELY HDM freindly. I wish I could corrupt it more...... LOL KC From KEVHC at aol.com Tue Jun 19 20:58:58 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <8c.84fee36.28614142@aol.com> Tog D, I anxiously await you arrival at the CT Kotei!!!! LONG LIVE THE DRAGON KC/HH From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Tue Jun 19 21:18:38 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <21.d42cf77.286145de@aol.com> In a message dated 6/18/01 10:10:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time, loki@bu.edu writes: > FATE > Tattoos(12): > 3x Dragon Tattoo > 3x Dragonfly Tattoo > 3x Mountain Tattoo > 3x Hummingbird Tattoo > > I do not want to go over 12 tattoos, more would probably be too many. The > only other ones I've thought of using are Centipede and Crane-what is > people's experience with them? > > Well i played i tattoo-blitz deck using crane and centipede centipede is really good for a comeback like heres a good combo centipede tattoo, dragon tattoo or mountain tattoo, dragonfly tattoo, totally unstopable 8/6 every three turns. a crane tattoo is useful mostly for hitomi nakuso cause he never has to duel so you will always have a defender out even if they die you wont care. hope that helped. mirumoto jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010619/1d86290c/attachment.html From hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 19:09:31 2001 From: hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com (Togashi Tenryuu) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: advanced school for the rpg In-Reply-To: <004f01c0f8f3$b8b3b3e0$adf838d5@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20010620010931.7791.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> > > The Yokuni Guard serves two purposes. The first > of > > which is the protection of Togashi Yoshune. snip> > > Does that mean I finally get some help for my job ? > ^_^ > > Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" > Yokuni's Yojimbo You have to sleep sometime.. ;) ===== Togashi Tenryuu Mirumoto Swordmaster -Yokuni Guard- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From cyng at lamere.net Wed Jun 20 01:15:09 2001 From: cyng at lamere.net (Mister Apples!) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200106200404.AAA02907@mail.lamere.net> A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Togashi Rik'Chk'Chok'Tak'Tik'Chuk'Tok'Tak'Tik'Tik'Tik, pledge my life for the Dragon. -Togashi Rik'Chk'Chok'Tak'Tik'Chuk'Tok'Tak'Tik'Tik'Tik From Kyn1000 at aol.com Wed Jun 20 01:23:19 2001 From: Kyn1000 at aol.com (Kyn1000@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: Buncha stuff Message-ID: Ok. Couple of notes all in this email. First, welcome to our new clanmate *bow* Second, I finally picked up Shogun, Total War. Wow. Very cool. Slight problem though. Whenever I try to move troops in the battle mode, they don't go where I click. If anyone knows how to fix this, email me offlist =) Couldn't find anything in the FAQ or troubleshooting sections. Oh well. Last, but certainly not least. A DRAGON'S OATH ? ? ? ? We are Dragon. ? ? ? ? We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day.? We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. ? ? ? ? We are Dragon. ? ? ? ? We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle.? We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. ? ? ? ? We are Dragon. ? ? ? ? We are eternal.? We are the paradox and the riddle.? We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end.? We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. ? ? ? ? I am Dragon. ? ? ? ? Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Kitsuki Kyn, pledge my life for the Dragon. Kitsuki Kyn Dragon Clan Ghola -3 yrs in a row on vacation during GenCon =/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010620/9d2b6ba9/attachment.html From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Wed Jun 20 08:52:04 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath References: Message-ID: <013b01c0f94d$228f7980$adf838d5@wanadoo.fr> A DRAGON'S OATH We are Dragon. We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the moment or the day. We stand against any who would corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve expedience. We are Dragon. We seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in battle. We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, or Iuchiban's Brood. We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without end. We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. I am Dragon. Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my ancestors, and my Clan: I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor of the Empire. I, Mirumoto Shiryu, pledge my life for the Dragon. For Dragon Honor and Yokuni's blade !! "Each man walks his own path - but no one says he must walk alone" --Mirumoto Shiryu Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 08:46:15 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, A new day and KC is shooting his mouth off... >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:55:30 EDT > >I poop on HDM!! Big talk over the internet. You are so brave. Here is my problem with you shooting your mouth off, when you get your butt handed to you a'la Crab, you come back here and lie about it. Find the moral courage to tell the truth before you play act you bravery over the net. > HDM is fun. Insta-win! So you are saying that it is tougher to play HDM than normal Dragon, because of the voluntary sacrifice of some pretty good cards. Correct? Great lets take a closer look at that, shall we... :). > Again, read this as build the better decks and beat my corrupt >butt >at GenCon!!! Well I seem to be doing okay, I have 6 tourneys as Dragon in the DCI records and I have 324 points all HDM decks: note- this does not include my 7th place finish out of 102 at Ruby Championship;. That gives me a better average than you. We could then look to some other noted HDM players like Shiryu, Josh, Don, and others. Then we could say there must be some damn good HDM players, imagine how they would do if they didn't hamstring themselves =). How will I do at GenCon? I have no idea how I will place. I am fairly positive fewer people will call me an a$$h0!! compared to you... LOL!! > FYI Rob and all, my GENCON deck is EXTREMELY HDM freindly. I >wish I could corrupt it more...... LOL I personally just found out GenCon is strict Gold, which cause me some problems. I am sure you will hold it against me if you can. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 08:56:27 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, A new day and KC is shooting his mouth off... >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:55:30 EDT > >I poop on HDM!! Big talk over the internet. You are so brave. Here is my problem with you shooting your mouth off, when you get your butt handed to you a'la Crab, you come back here and lie about it. Find the moral courage to tell the truth before you play act you bravery over the net. > HDM is fun. Insta-win! So you are saying that it is tougher to play HDM than normal Dragon, because of the voluntary sacrifice of some pretty good cards. Correct? Great lets take a closer look at that, shall we... :). > Again, read this as build the better decks and beat my corrupt >butt >at GenCon!!! Well I seem to be doing okay, I have 6 tourneys as Dragon in the DCI records and I have 324 points all HDM decks: note- this does not include my 7th place finish out of 102 at Ruby Championship;. That gives me a better average than you. We could then look to some other noted HDM players like Shiryu, Josh, Don, and others. Then we could say there must be some damn good HDM players, imagine how they would do if they didn't hamstring themselves =). How will I do at GenCon? I have no idea how I will place. I am fairly positive fewer people will call me an a$$h0!! compared to you... LOL!! > FYI Rob and all, my GENCON deck is EXTREMELY HDM freindly. I >wish I could corrupt it more...... LOL I personally just found out GenCon is strict Gold, which cause me some problems. I am sure you will hold it against me if you can. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 08:12:49 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <115.897b62.2861df31@aol.com> And now this list is humor less? From Gareth.Hanrahan at raidtec.ie Wed Jun 20 13:46:05 2001 From: Gareth.Hanrahan at raidtec.ie (Gareth Hanrahan) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01062012460501.01885@mytholder> On Wednesday 20 June 2001 12:37, Bruno BALBASTRE wrote: > > And now this list is humor less? > > No, absolutly no. > > Just less corrupted than ever... It is, however, full of the SAME FREAKING MESSAGE REPEATED OVER AND OVER. Gar http://www.mytholder.f2s.com From ericjj30 at home.com Wed Jun 20 07:57:42 2001 From: ericjj30 at home.com (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL References: <115.897b62.2861df31@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c0f980$36a53260$2d4a0641@sxflls1.sd.home.com> This list has never been humorless. You simply suck the humor out of it every time you post. I can see I am needed. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Comedian * Shugenja * Tattooed "Weary from his long journey and hours of effort, his smile still shone from his face and laughter from his heart." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:12 AM Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL > And now this list is humor less? > > > > > From bbalbastre at multimania.com Wed Jun 20 14:37:13 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <115.897b62.2861df31@aol.com> Message-ID: > And now this list is humor less? No, absolutly no. Just less corrupted than ever... Kitsuki Jitsuma Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate*Tactician*Samoura?* From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 13:19:19 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:12:49 EDT > >And now this list is humor less? And why would you say that? I think lots of us are laughing at you right now :). Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From skt0870 at siena.edu Wed Jun 20 10:45:37 2001 From: skt0870 at siena.edu (skt0870) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:07 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <3AFF3096@claven.its.siena.edu> See ya there...I'll see if I can do something to stick out ;) Aside from the fact that I play dragon. When I was in Conn for the RST in the fall, I was one of 2 Dragon players there. Of course I was loud enough for 10 ;) Togashi Dokuei *Tattooed*Tactition*Shadowlands*Will only join Dragon Clan* >===== Original Message From dragon@michonline.com ===== >Tog D, > > I anxiously await you arrival at the CT Kotei!!!! > > LONG LIVE THE DRAGON > >KC/HH From loki at bu.edu Wed Jun 20 10:36:08 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Rob Bowman wrote: > Greetings, > > A new day and KC is shooting his mouth off... [snip] You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff factor-an ability to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. ;P Honestly folks, he's a great guy. Opinionated, and likes to crack on the HDM(generally, tongue in cheek, I might add) a lot, but still a great guy. Anyway, I'm off, to design the ultimate Dragon Non-interactive deck. Dragon Robo Honor! ;P A pity, whenever I get good ideas, I never seem to be able to make them work....Hehhehe. Ah well, I still have fun coming up with 'em. And to everybody-lighten up, I think we're all starting to take ourselves too seriously. Next thing you know, I'll be taking offense to people and crusading against the clan ;P (BTW, that was in jest, in case it isn't evident by e-mail) Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer * Trying for Non-interactive Cheese Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From Dragncln1 at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:34:28 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <81.bedc0d1.28620e74@aol.com> In a message dated 06/19/2001 9:20:34 AM Central Daylight Time, loki@bu.edu writes: << I've already toggled in the Berserkers. :) On Bandit Gangs-Don't y'all find that 2G per follower at resolution cost stacks up? Or do you just count on the fact that you'll never see all three because the game will be over THAT fast? >> Generaly they are 2nd turn attack Refugee protection. In a simiar deck I used bandit gang, frenzy, frequently and never paid them. Sutero From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 16:09:52 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, >From: Loki >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:36:08 -0400 (EDT) > >On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Rob Bowman wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > A new day and KC is shooting his mouth off... >[snip] > >You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? Maybe you know Kevin a little better than most of us, but no quite frankly, that was certainly not clear to me. If he had made that clear in a polite way I would have apologized. As I felt KC made just another rude comment, I replied in kind. Sorry. >I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff factor-an ability >to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. ;P Honestly folks, he's a >great guy. Opinionated, and likes to crack on the HDM(generally, tongue >in cheek, I might add) a lot, but still a great guy. I personally like Duff and know his rep. I also completely understand how he got that rep. Now you are entitled to your opinion, and we are entitled to ours. Quite frankly I know KC to be a liar (a'la Crab) and a flamer (like with the recent GenCon invitees :(). I have tried to rebuild that bridge more than once and keep getting rebuffed... . >Anyway, I'm off, to design the ultimate Dragon Non-interactive deck. >Dragon Robo Honor! ;P >A pity, whenever I get good ideas, I never seem to be able to make them >work....Hehhehe. Ah well, I still have fun coming up with 'em. Good luck. You know that is what this is all about, fun. We all just find it in slightly different ways. >And to everybody-lighten up, I think we're all starting to take ourselves >too seriously. Next thing you know, I'll be taking offense to people and >crusading against the clan ;P >(BTW, that was in jest, in case it isn't evident by e-mail) I understand this was in jest. Now last I heard there was around 800 people on this list (feel free to correct me on the number, that was at the height of the HDM thing). For the most part we all get along and have a good time. It seems that when KC posts that mood changes. I find it interesting that you are preaching to the almost 800 of us to lighten up and change our ways, instead your friend. Just a thought... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From baz at thedragonclan.com Wed Jun 20 17:25:37 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: Craziness References: Message-ID: <004d01c0f99d$42870320$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> People People People, let it drop..... We're all dragon here whether loyal Hdm or dedicated Kokujin fans. Dragon, and that counts for a lot. Wise, Patient, Slow to anger...... Annoyingly inscrutable (hence all the misunderstandings Im sure :) ) And gold edition is almost upon us! We've got firechickens to fight! So I dont want to see anymore bickering, what I do want to see is a gold legal dueling military deck. Without knowing the other clans personalities too well, from reading the strongholds phoenix report I get the impression that a lot of clans are cripple with the smallest measure of dishonour (ie. refusing a challenge or being shamed after an art) leaving us plenty of time to stock up on force and eventually attack.... ideas? comments? anyone got a similar deck together yet? Hitomi Hokosaki From jlesgold at enteract.com Wed Jun 20 11:17:21 2001 From: jlesgold at enteract.com (Jacob Lesgold) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei In-Reply-To: <81.bedc0d1.28620e74@aol.com>; from Dragncln1@aol.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 10:34:28AM -0400 References: <81.bedc0d1.28620e74@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010620101721.A6210@enteract.com> Dragncln1@aol.com [Dragncln1@aol.com] wrote: >In a message dated 06/19/2001 9:20:34 AM Central Daylight Time, loki@bu.edu >writes: ><< > I've already toggled in the Berserkers. :) > On Bandit Gangs-Don't y'all find that 2G per follower at resolution cost > stacks up? Or do you just count on the fact that you'll never see all > three because the game will be over THAT fast? >> > >Generaly they are 2nd turn attack Refugee protection. In a simiar deck I used >bandit gang, frenzy, frequently and never paid them. I can't say I have any experience with a tattooed blitz. But in my Naga blitz, I always used Bandit Gangs as a force bonus, just like Charge except it's a Limited, Refugee protection, and can't be stopped by In Search Of The Future. I only paid for them if the gold was there and I didn't have anything better to do with it. So, my perspective is that if you want a force bonus that might be reusable, use the Bandit Gangs. If you want real followers, use something else. Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet -- Jacob Lesgold jlesgold@enteract.com www.enteract.com/~jlesgold Lightfall "...and Master Li turned bright red while he scorched the air with the Sixty Sequential Sacrileges with which he had won the all-China Freestyle Blasphemy Competition in Hangchow three years in a row." -- _Bridge_of_Birds_ From loki at bu.edu Wed Jun 20 12:53:03 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Rob Bowman wrote: > Greetings, > > >From: Loki > >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:36:08 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Rob Bowman wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > A new day and KC is shooting his mouth off... > >[snip] > > > >You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? > > Maybe you know Kevin a little better than most of us, but no quite frankly, > that was certainly not clear to me. If he had made that clear in a polite > way I would have apologized. As I felt KC made just another rude comment, I > replied in kind. Sorry. Well, yeah, it helps to meet the chap in person. Hehee. No apologies necessary. Though yeah, Kev, I think you need more idiotic smileys ;P > >I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff factor-an ability > >to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. ;P Honestly folks, he's a > >great guy. Opinionated, and likes to crack on the HDM(generally, tongue > >in cheek, I might add) a lot, but still a great guy. > > I personally like Duff and know his rep. I also completely understand how > he got that rep. Now you are entitled to your opinion, and we are entitled > to ours. Indeed. I can see what you mean about duff. Same thing with Mr. Christopher here...in e-mail, he often comes off as egotistical and an asshole, but in person, he's a great guy. Must be the weaknesses of the medium. *shrug* > Quite frankly I know KC to be a liar (a'la Crab) and a flamer (like with the > recent GenCon invitees :(). I have tried to rebuild that bridge more than > once and keep getting rebuffed... . Actually, I think Kevin just is one of those people who phrases things in such a way that it's easy to take offense if you haven't met him in person and know the vocal inflection that would accompany the words. Much as I've found Mr. Duff to be in many a thread, since I haven't met him. > >Anyway, I'm off, to design the ultimate Dragon Non-interactive deck. > >Dragon Robo Honor! ;P > >A pity, whenever I get good ideas, I never seem to be able to make them > >work....Hehhehe. Ah well, I still have fun coming up with 'em. > > Good luck. You know that is what this is all about, fun. We all just find > it in slightly different ways. Hehhe. I'm all for designing Wacky Dragon Deck #'s 12-200. Saddly, I can't make most of the more absurd ideas work for tourney play, but hey, that's the breaks with wacky ideas, ne? In all honestly, the only Dragon decks I've played reasonably well so far is duelling honor/pk and dishonor. I *might* be able to put together a good Tattoo blitz, but then, who knows. > >And to everybody-lighten up, I think we're all starting to take ourselves > >too seriously. Next thing you know, I'll be taking offense to people and > >crusading against the clan ;P > >(BTW, that was in jest, in case it isn't evident by e-mail) > > Now last I heard there was around 800 people on this list (feel free to > correct me on the number, that was at the height of the HDM thing). For the > most part we all get along and have a good time. It seems that when KC > posts that mood changes. *nods* Like I said, I think it's a problem with our medium of communication. Good natured laughter and the like doesn't carry well in e-mail without tons of emoticons, ne? > I find it interesting that you are preaching to the almost 800 of us to > lighten up and change our ways, instead your friend. Just a thought... > . Well, my local priest when I was young always said she thought I'd make a good priest. Guess I love to preach to the choir. Hehhehe. Well, see, I know Kevin isn't serious, and I'm sure he's reading this as well where I'm saying "Kevin...become one with the smiley...:P". So I figure I've got all the lists' bases covered. And there's also the fact that by "everybody" I literally meant everyone-people on the list, myself, Kevin, anyone at all reading this. :) We could all use a lightening up sometime. BTW-Anyone ever have any luck with Tattooed Oni/Black Scroll decks? I'm feeling creative, and after the "20 PS+ Lessons of Honor/Suspicions/Shizue" honor deck idea I had, I thought I might try an absurd corrupt military for friendly multiplayer. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From ericjj30 at home.com Wed Jun 20 11:54:59 2001 From: ericjj30 at home.com (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: Craziness References: <004d01c0f99d$42870320$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: <002f01c0f9a1$5ca2d500$2d4a0641@sxflls1.sd.home.com> I agree with your insightful analysis (found my dictionary again) Hokosaki-san. However, I have found putting together a functioning deck in this format problematic. The concept I think will work best (based on what we have available) will be to use tattoos, weapons, and spells like Biting Steel and Mastersmith Ascends to pump up one really big personality and cool little actions like Hitomi Technique to use our smaller personalities to greater effect in a battle. The good news is with one big personality (Taki with a couple weapons, Dragon Tat, and Biting Steel'd at least once) we have access to both force and chi duels. An interesting format would be a weapon deck. With Taki back in Gold I have looked into this. Although with my tight schedule have been unable to playtest much. I'm guessing we can go toe-to-toe with most military except maybe Crab (Hida Technique is NOT in this set, right???). The cost of weapons for their benefit can be problematic. I mean a follower deck can build as much force as quickly and then play Stand Against the Waves and all your force will be worthless. I still don't think weapons will carry a deck but they can be a nice addition (which the Crab can also do very well). Please let me know what you think or have experienced with this through playtesting....ymmv. I think the Scorpion could be very interesting in Gold. With Suspicions, Deeds not Words, and Shame combined with Yokuon and Angai, they've got some dueling punch with dishonor. They can also do some military with their box ability to bow force... An outside shot certainly. And now...since I've forgotten where I started this message due to multiple interruptions...I'll stop. Please feel free to comment as I do not feel I am the expert, certainly, but merely wished to toss in my observations. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Tattooed Comedian "So this Akodo walks into the sake-house..." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hitomi Hokosaki" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: Craziness > > People People People, let it drop..... > We're all dragon here whether loyal Hdm or dedicated Kokujin fans. > Dragon, and that counts for a lot. Wise, Patient, Slow to anger...... > Annoyingly inscrutable (hence all the misunderstandings Im sure :) ) > > And gold edition is almost upon us! We've got firechickens to fight! > So I dont want to see anymore bickering, what I do want to see is a gold > legal dueling military deck. Without knowing the other clans personalities > too well, from reading the strongholds phoenix report I get the impression > that a lot of clans are cripple with the smallest measure of dishonour (ie. > refusing a challenge or being shamed after an art) leaving us plenty of time > to stock up on force and eventually attack.... > > ideas? comments? anyone got a similar deck together yet? > > Hitomi Hokosaki > > > From jlesgold at enteract.com Wed Jun 20 12:19:15 2001 From: jlesgold at enteract.com (Jacob Lesgold) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) Message-ID: <20010620111915.A8100@enteract.com> Hi. I'm a longtime Naga player who plans on playing Dragon in Gold. This is mostly because the Dragon are the clan I like best, and has little to do with any expectation of building similar sorts of decks. In fact, I have to say I've grown tired of blitz military, which I've found to be the most successful Naga Archetype. I've always appreciated the Dragon mystery, and also the devotion to the overall good of the Empire. I've seen the Dragon mission as making sure that what needs done is done, whether by someone else (often preferable), or if necessary by the Dragon themselves. What others see as "fence sitting", I see as avoiding the minor details while keeping an eye on, and (only when necessary) taking care of, the big picture. Also, Dragon is the clan of the Pale Eye...er, Moon. Anyway, while I'm not ready for one of those Oath things yet (as I only intend to play Dragon in formats where Naga isn't legal), I am planning to play Dragon at GenCon and generally in Gold. To which end, I was looking for suggestions of deck types that are likely to work in Strict Gold 40/40 for Dragon. I'm not particular about being HDM, but I am disinclined towards using Shadowlands cards. Also, if I'm going to be doing something different, it might as well be genuinely different: I don't want to play speed military. So, anyone have some good ideas to help me get used to the new card base? Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet -- Jacob Lesgold jlesgold@enteract.com www.enteract.com/~jlesgold Lightfall "If you hurt her, I will beat you to death with a shovel. [...] A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend. Have fun!" -- Willow Rosenberg, _Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_, "The Initiative" From baz at thedragonclan.com Wed Jun 20 18:36:43 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military References: <004d01c0f99d$42870320$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> <002f01c0f9a1$5ca2d500$2d4a0641@sxflls1.sd.home.com> Message-ID: <008101c0f9a7$30d69dc0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > The concept I think will work best (based on what we have available) will be > to use tattoos, weapons, and spells like Biting Steel and Mastersmith > Ascends to pump up one really big personality and cool little actions like > Hitomi Technique to use our smaller personalities to greater effect in a > battle. > > The good news is with one big personality (Taki with a couple weapons, > Dragon Tat, and Biting Steel'd at least once) we have access to both force > and chi duels. Just wanted to pull out some of the items and tattoos that would be usefull in this deck type. Atarasi's Armor 9 gold for+1 +2 and either Double chi or Tactician depending on what we need. Bitter and Honourable, frenzy is its bane but it does start duels with 0ph honour peeps in battle. Golden Obi of the Sun Goddess +3 chi, bows shadowlands and protects its owner. Judgement, bow for a limited duel with a dishonoured personality. All a bunch of unique items, we'll also have a nice big celestial sword. Tattoos, Dragon, a nice easy +3 +3 but make sure it doesnt bow Hummingbird, in test games Ive found this on Mirumoto Daisuke (our cavalry) with the ancestral sword to be devestating. Mountain Tattoo, if dead eyes gets erratted to 2f this card is better Snow Crane Tattoo, to win our duels with Torii Tattoo, poisoned weapons will popup alot in gold, although we cant use snow crane with it it may be worth considering instead. Spells Secrets on the wind, to set up duels with bitter and judgement. Its also worth noting that the Ki-Rin is worth playing with this set up especially as with the winds the chance of the personality being rehonoured is slight. Biting steel, bowing a Chosai one of our key personalities gets +3 +3 to duel or attack with. Personalities Doji Reju xp2 is tattooed and has an innate duel Ukira has a dueling ability, his hr is a bit steep so playing 2 of him is probably the way to go Chosai and Shaitung, we may as well play all our shugenja Daisuke cavalry with range attaack and 3ph for 8 gold.. hes great in gold Tokeru, getting him to two weapons and double chi shouldnt be that hard especially if were playing Master smiths. Rosanjin, first turn personality with the daisho tech Soul of Iyojin ( the name escapes me) 3 chi and cheap enough Hoshi 7 chi double chi by the looks of it our duels are doing to require a little set up as most of our non-unique personalites arent with great chi. Duels: Come one at a time Duel Challenge Art the challenges and some shames should be all the dishonour we need to drag our opponent below his honour requirements. > An interesting format would be a weapon deck. With Taki back in Gold I have > looked into this. Although with my tight schedule have been unable to > playtest much. I'm guessing we can go toe-to-toe with most military except > maybe Crab (Hida Technique is NOT in this set, right???). The cost of > weapons for their benefit can be problematic. I mean a follower deck can > build as much force as quickly and then play Stand Against the Waves and all > your force will be worthless. I still don't think weapons will carry a deck > but they can be a nice addition (which the Crab can also do very well). > Please let me know what you think or have experienced with this through > playtesting....ymmv. Follower decks do look like their going to be popular, perhaps playing with frenzy as a) a force booster if we need it, b) something to dishonour personalities with c) something to destroy followers On dishonouring personalities, Mirumoto house gaurd have a battle duel which if refused loses your opponent some honour and dishonours the opponent, it combos pretty well with Bitter. > I think the Scorpion could be very interesting in Gold. With Suspicions, > Deeds not Words, and Shame combined with Yokuon and Angai, they've got some > dueling punch with dishonor. They can also do some military with their box > ability to bow force... An outside shot certainly. Dishonour Dueling Military, hopefully well have the advantage being the little bit better at honour. And throwing in a few followers as protection against yogo towers would be a good idea, weve already got the house gaurd, with all the tattoos we can throw in warriors of the great climb, and a few spearmen rarely go astray. Hitomi Hokosaki (still avoiding putting together a deck) From hidaokami at ureach.com Wed Jun 20 14:56:28 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <200106201756.NAA19120@www23.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Loki (loki@bu.edu) wrote: > You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? In the words of Data: "A joke is a humorous anecdote with a surprise ending. That was not." > I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff factor-an ability to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. The difference is, Duff isn't an asshole to his clansmen, and Duff can back up his trash talk. KC talks smack and then gets beat by a Ratling... and lies about it. >Honestly folks, he's a great guy. Millions of Germans thought that about a certain leader they had (flame on). Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From puck at holycow.com Wed Jun 20 11:58:32 2001 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <115.897b62.2861df31@aol.com> Message-ID: > And now this list is humor less? Your post certainly did nothing to increase the humor on the list. It wasn't funny, didn't come across as funny, and wasn't funny. I said "wasn't funny" twice because, well, it wasn't funny. You were "making fun" but that isn't funny, it's insulting. And there's a common misconception that HDM people don't have a sense of humour, but people forget that I was the mastermind behind the "Pearl Edition Playtest Leak" that *so* many people fell for, as well as creator of these: http://www.thedragonclan.com/true.html -- http://www.holycow.com/dib/ Don Gate's Hitomi Fan Club postcards are hilarious, while Joe Keyser is funny looking. :) The HDM is only seen as humourless because of our responses to insulting online communication that was supposed to be "just a joke". Things like that don't carry over well via email, and you should know that. If I say "You suck." in an email, it's not funny, and you'd probably take it poorly. If we were meeting in person, I could flash a smile and say "You suck," and you'd know I was just kidding around. You suck. Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Wed Jun 20 15:07:21 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: dragon too many damn tattoo's duelist Message-ID: <33.16b287e5.28624059@aol.com> this deck is totally off the point of trying to make a gold legal deck but here it goes stronghold iron mountain. tattoo with caution! dynasty 43 regions farmlands events imperial gift i might think of adding an iris festival holdings fortress of the dragonfly 3 master smith 2 should take them out to make it faster though large farm 3 gold mine 3 ashalan sandsmith 3 tattooing chamber probly replace charter of the dragon clan master of bushido sanctified temple 2 personalities mirumoto yuyake 2 mirumoto bujun 3 mirumoto rosanjin 3 mirumoto daini 3 doji reju Exp 2 kitsuki mizouchi 3 kitsuki yasu 3 togashi hoshi 3 hitomi nakuso 3 fate 43 actions torii tattoo 3 orochi tattoo 3 winning a duel should be simple since most 3/3 are 3/6 firefly tattoo 3 lion tattoo 3 take out i guess but at the right moment a perp with the celsetial sword would be over fifty force gift of the emperor lajutsu art 3 laijutsu duel 3 laujutsu challenge 3 come one at a time 3 entrapping terrain 3 block supply lines 3 rings void followers mirumoto house guard sensei yokuni sensei hantei sensei items bitter bloodsword 2 celestial sword of the dragon togashi's daisho sword of the sun all i can guess is use the strongholds ability mid to late game when gold is flowing better. ive done good with a variation of this deck useing taki and no anc sword. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We were founded > to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. > > I am Dragon. > Under the moonlight and in the presence of my Kami, my Daimyo, my > ancestors, and my Clan: > I pledge my life to seek knowledge, honor, wisdom, and justice. > I pledge my life to defeat evil and its minions in all their guises. > I pledge my life to defend my honor, the honor of the Dragon, and the honor > of the Empire. > I, Mirumoto jon, pledge my life for the Dragon. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010620/2dc4f228/attachment.html From loki at bu.edu Wed Jun 20 16:19:37 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:08 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <200106201756.NAA19120@www23.ureach.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Shaun Scott wrote: > ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Loki (loki@bu.edu) wrote: > > > You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? > > In the words of Data: > "A joke is a humorous anecdote with a surprise ending. That > was not." Well, as I've said e-mail==a poor medium for conveying such things, barring lots of emoticons, ne? That's all I was trying to say. > > I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff > factor-an ability to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. > > The difference is, Duff isn't an asshole to his clansmen, and > Duff can back up his trash talk. KC talks smack and then gets > beat by a Ratling... and lies about it. I'm curious, what ratling Story are we talking about here? You mean the NJ Kotei? Or is this before my time? And regardless of Duff being an asshole to his clansmen or not, my point was not whether he is. My point was that a lot of people come off as a lot more obnoxious in e-mail than they do in person. No reason to get murderous here. Heeya. I'm starting to regret ever bothering to stick my neck out for someone else...sheesh. :\ > >Honestly folks, he's a great guy. > > Millions of Germans thought that about a certain leader they > had (flame on). You know, I've always liked you based on what you've written in the past Okami, but that has to be one of the most deliberately inflammatory things I've ever seen someone write, especially on this list. I mean, if you're going to chastize someone for being inflammatory and offensive, the least you can do is not turn around and do the same thing, especially to a completely different party. Okay, I think I'm going to drop this before large bands of people get together to try and crucify me(physically) at Gencon,should I go... Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From rusty.priske at hrdc-drhc.gc.ca Wed Jun 20 16:36:19 2001 From: rusty.priske at hrdc-drhc.gc.ca (rusty.priske@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Don't you know the first rule of on-line debates? The first person to bring up Hitler loses. :) Rusty Priske ---------- Original Text ---------- From: "Loki" , on 20-Jun-01 3:34 PM: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Shaun Scott wrote: > ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Loki (loki@bu.edu) wrote: > > > You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? > > In the words of Data: > "A joke is a humorous anecdote with a surprise ending. That > was not." Well, as I've said e-mail==a poor medium for conveying such things, barring lots of emoticons, ne? That's all I was trying to say. > > I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff > factor-an ability to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. > > The difference is, Duff isn't an asshole to his clansmen, and > Duff can back up his trash talk. KC talks smack and then gets > beat by a Ratling... and lies about it. I'm curious, what ratling Story are we talking about here? You mean the NJ Kotei? Or is this before my time? And regardless of Duff being an asshole to his clansmen or not, my point was not whether he is. My point was that a lot of people come off as a lot more obnoxious in e-mail than they do in person. No reason to get murderous here. Heeya. I'm starting to regret ever bothering to stick my neck out for someone else...sheesh. :\ > >Honestly folks, he's a great guy. > > Millions of Germans thought that about a certain leader they > had (flame on). You know, I've always liked you based on what you've written in the past Okami, but that has to be one of the most deliberately inflammatory things I've ever seen someone write, especially on this list. I mean, if you're going to chastize someone for being inflammatory and offensive, the least you can do is not turn around and do the same thing, especially to a completely different party. Okay, I think I'm going to drop this before large bands of people get together to try and crucify me(physically) at Gencon,should I go... Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Wed Jun 20 17:10:16 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 rusty.priske@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca wrote: > Don't you know the first rule of on-line debates? The first person to bring > up Hitler loses. :) Especially when his target is a significant % German. Heheh..thanks for the levity though, nice to see not everyone believes in shooting the mediator. ;P Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion > Rusty Priske > ---------- Original Text ---------- > > From: "Loki" , on 20-Jun-01 3:34 PM: > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Shaun Scott wrote: > > > ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Loki (loki@bu.edu) wrote: > > > > > You all do realize Kevin is joking around here, right? > > > > In the words of Data: > > "A joke is a humorous anecdote with a surprise ending. That > > was not." > > Well, as I've said e-mail==a poor medium for conveying such things, > barring lots of emoticons, ne? That's all I was trying to say. > > > > I think Kevin will soon be suffering from the Brian Duff > > factor-an ability to come off as at least 6x the asshole he is. > > > > The difference is, Duff isn't an asshole to his clansmen, and > > Duff can back up his trash talk. KC talks smack and then gets > > beat by a Ratling... and lies about it. > > I'm curious, what ratling Story are we talking about here? You mean the > NJ Kotei? Or is this before my time? > And regardless of Duff being an asshole to his clansmen or not, my point > was not whether he is. My point was that a lot of people come off as a > lot more obnoxious in e-mail than they do in person. No > reason to get murderous here. Heeya. I'm starting to regret ever > bothering to stick my neck out for someone else...sheesh. :\ > > > >Honestly folks, he's a great guy. > > > > Millions of Germans thought that about a certain leader they > > had (flame on). > > You know, I've always liked you based on what you've written in the past > Okami, but that has to be one of the most deliberately inflammatory things > I've ever seen someone write, especially on this list. I mean, if you're > going to chastize someone for being inflammatory and offensive, the least > you can do is not turn around and do the same thing, especially to a > completely different party. > > Okay, I think I'm going to drop this before large bands of people get > together to try and crucify me(physically) at Gencon,should I go... > > Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer > Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion > > > > > From loki at bu.edu Wed Jun 20 17:49:41 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military In-Reply-To: <008101c0f9a7$30d69dc0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Hitomi Hokosaki wrote: > > The concept I think will work best (based on what we have available) will > be > > to use tattoos, weapons, and spells like Biting Steel and Mastersmith > > Ascends to pump up one really big personality and cool little actions like > > Hitomi Technique to use our smaller personalities to greater effect in a > > battle. > > > > The good news is with one big personality (Taki with a couple weapons, > > Dragon Tat, and Biting Steel'd at least once) we have access to both force > > and chi duels. > > Just wanted to pull out some of the items and tattoos that would be usefull > in this deck type. > > Atarasi's Armor 9 gold for+1 +2 and either Double chi or Tactician depending > on what we need. > Bitter and Honourable, frenzy is its bane but it does start duels with 0ph > honour peeps in battle. > Golden Obi of the Sun Goddess +3 chi, bows shadowlands and protects its > owner. > Judgement, bow for a limited duel with a dishonoured personality. Okay...well, here's my take on all this..we need to be careful about what we're using out of all this stuff. None of these items are exactly "cheap", ne? Atarasi's Armor is quite probably not worth it, IMHO. Without Artificers, we would need to be using Blacksmiths to make these "worth it" and I'm not so sure using *another* 4G holding is a good idea, especially when such a military deck would likely already be using Hiruma Dojos and maybe Sanct. Temples. Of them all, I'd say Judgement has the best potential. It's 7G for a 2Chi bonus with an ability that makes it really nice. With secrets on the Wind, it's some serious PKilling power! The Golden Obi is also fairly decent, with 3Chi, a handy battle abilty and a "Get out of death free!" clause. Since I've seen a lot of people running a sideline in dishonor in gold, I think that Honorable and Judgment might be more trouble than they're worth, though Judgement does combo well with the house guards, if you can keep the peep with the sword alive... > All a bunch of unique items, we'll also have a nice big celestial sword. >From my own Test Games: I agree with your point. Daisuke+ Celestial Sword is like having 2 Hoshis in your Deck. Hummingbird tattoo just makes it gross. > Tattoos, > Dragon, a nice easy +3 +3 but make sure it doesnt bow I find this is good as an insurance policy/way to squeak that extra for an early province kill. It's also good on defense, since you don't bow defending, and 6Chi+ is Huge. There are also not as many bowing tricks in Gold, outside of the Yogo SH ability, so staying unbowed isn't as hard as in Open. > Hummingbird, in test games Ive found this on Mirumoto Daisuke (our cavalry) > with the ancestral sword to be devestating. I agree! It combos especially well with Tattoos and Weapons, since followers don't unbow with it, but Tattoos and Weapons are always "on" or activateable...Mountain Tattoo+Ono+2-3F peep+farmlands=6-7F(7-8 if a token is unbowed) that never bows. Nice. > Mountain Tattoo, if dead eyes gets erratted to 2f this card is better I agree. We'll have to watch out though, there's still a fair number of stupid shooting trix(tm) in the Crane personality selection, IIRC. > Snow Crane Tattoo, to win our duels with This, and Uso EXP, makes Iai Art our personal playground. It won't be Cranes with Reju/Kharmic ppl complain about, but Dragons with Anyone+SnowCrane. Saddly, with the loss of Yoshi and items like Corrupted Jade sliver, this is our only "exclusively dragon" way to boost duels. > Torii Tattoo, poisoned weapons will popup alot in gold, although we cant use > snow crane with it it may be worth considering instead. Quite possibly. Alternately, we should think about One Life, One Action-great card, and nails things after the first use. So we'll just make sure our first duellist is expendable. > Spells > Secrets on the wind, to set up duels with bitter and judgement. Its also > worth noting that the Ki-Rin is worth playing with this set up especially as > with the winds the chance of the personality being rehonoured is slight. > Biting steel, bowing a Chosai one of our key personalities gets +3 +3 to > duel or attack with. Excellent point, although I think you're underestimating how many people will choose Hantei Naseru as their wind. His honor altering powers are so potent, most honorable decks will be inclined to run for him, just for the protection against dishono, which while lacking cards, is BRUTALLY effective with the higher HR in Gold. > Personalities > Doji Reju xp2 is tattooed and has an innate duel > Ukira has a dueling ability, his hr is a bit steep so playing 2 of him is > probably the way to go I agree here, certainly. :) > Chosai and Shaitung, we may as well play all our shugenja Right. If one of us decides to go dishonor/duelling, consider Soshi Angai-7G for a 2/5 shuggie with infinite Secrets is very nice. :) > Daisuke cavalry with range attaack and 3ph for 8 gold.. hes great in gold In test games, I found him so much more handy than I would have thought! > Tokeru, getting him to two weapons and double chi shouldnt be that hard > especially if were playing Master smiths. Problem: Master Smiths are not in Gold. And honestly, I don't think Tokeru is really worth it. For 3G more we get Hoshi, who has a lower HR and is a personality superior in every way. > Rosanjin, first turn personality with the daisho tech Weapons still not spectacular in gold for military, I think. Followers will be better just because of the force/Gold Ratio. Light Infantry, for example-2F for 2G. Closest weapons come is Ono-2F for 3G. Which is the same cost as Spearmen, which have the option to opt for a ranged attack and are therefore more versatile. Although weapons do work better with hummingbird tatts, followers do provide anti-Reugees protection. > Soul of Iyojin ( the name escapes me) 3 chi and cheap enough He's solid. :) > Hoshi 7 chi double chi Beauty. > by the looks of it our duels are doing to require a little set up as most of > our non-unique personalites arent with great chi. Yeah, without Yoshi and Daini, we're a bit behind the curve. The Crane's Kakita Kaiten is a duelling MONSTROSITY in gold. I've seen him hit the table turn 3 or so, when you have so little honor that when he challenges, you must accept..and it's hard to beat 7 Chi... > Duels: > Come one at a time > Duel > Challenge > Art > > the challenges and some shames should be all the dishonour we need to drag > our opponent below his honour requirements. Yup. Challenge is close to unrefusable early game for most clans in gold. [snip] > Follower decks do look like their going to be popular, perhaps playing with > frenzy as a) a force booster if we need it, b) something to dishonour > personalities with c) something to destroy followers > On dishonouring personalities, Mirumoto house gaurd have a battle duel which > if refused loses your opponent some honour and dishonours the opponent, it > combos pretty well with Bitter. I'm not so sure. I think Followers+Tattoos would be best myself, perhaps with a sideline in weapons (only good F/GC ratio ones like Ono). > > I think the Scorpion could be very interesting in Gold. With Suspicions, > > Deeds not Words, and Shame combined with Yokuon and Angai, they've got > some > > dueling punch with dishonor. They can also do some military with their > box > > ability to bow force... An outside shot certainly. > > Dishonour Dueling Military, hopefully well have the advantage being the > little bit better at honour. > And throwing in a few followers as protection against yogo towers would be a > good idea, weve already got the house gaurd, with all the tattoos we can > throw in warriors of the great climb, and a few spearmen rarely go astray. Scorpion looks like they might be able to build a mean Honor/Dishonor/Duelling deck in Gold, I'll have to try my hand at making one. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Wed Jun 20 18:42:16 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > running a sideline in dishonor in gold, I think that Honorable and > Judgment might be more trouble than they're worth, though Judgement does > combo well with the house guards, if you can keep the peep with the > sword alive... Note that should be "Honorable and Bitter". Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 23:17:52 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, Hakanin-san, this is the difference between you and KC. You made no waves, and yet here you are trying to mend fences. KC on the other hand seemingly broke a fence, and is no where to be seen (He has done this before, when he lied about the Crab challenge incident and then bailed; and yes it was before your time :(). None the less, thank you for your efforts... . Now many things were said, most politely, and to all thank you for your thoughts and support, esp Kagetora-san... . As for those who think this a war, I guess you have never really seen a true list-serve flame war. Lucky you ;). Now quite simply, I beg for the Gold deck discussion to continue as I will get little playtest time prior to GenCon. Domo... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From xjareddsx at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 20:07:15 2001 From: xjareddsx at yahoo.com (Jared DS) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <115.897b62.2861df31@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c0f9f6$eb327f00$599487ac@computer> Kevin, Don't make the same mistake I have made in the past. We both know the answer to that question. We both know the truth. I will see you in CT my friend; it is there where our rivalry shall end when you meet my new deck archetype with your Dragon shiz! DIE CHRISTOPHER YOU ASS IS GRASS. *throws down the glove* I demand a duel to resolve your lack of humor. You shall fall like the others. Jared Devlin-Scherer The Dynasty TECH editor in chief (if your lucky the site will be working tomorrow) P.S. Thanks for letting me stay at your house in two weeks:) -----Original Message----- From: KEVHC@aol.com [mailto:KEVHC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:13 AM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL And now this list is humor less? From xjareddsx at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 20:11:45 2001 From: xjareddsx at yahoo.com (Jared DS) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <001301c0f980$36a53260$2d4a0641@sxflls1.sd.home.com> Message-ID: <000401c0f9f7$8646d040$599487ac@computer> I fail to see how your post does anything besides incite flames and add to the war. Please inform me of its usefulness. Jared Devlin-Scherer The Dynasty TECH editor in chief -----Original Message----- From: Eric Jacobson [mailto:ericjj30@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:58 AM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL This list has never been humorless. You simply suck the humor out of it every time you post. I can see I am needed. Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Comedian * Shugenja * Tattooed "Weary from his long journey and hours of effort, his smile still shone from his face and laughter from his heart." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:12 AM Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL > And now this list is humor less? > > > > > From xjareddsx at YAHOO.COM Wed Jun 20 20:14:48 2001 From: xjareddsx at YAHOO.COM (Jared DS) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c0f9f7$f31127c0$599487ac@computer> I have seen many flame wars, this is how they start. Instigation. Thanks for being the one to instigate the instigator; you are at much of a fault as the original poster. Jared Devlin-Scherer The Dynasty TECH editor in chief -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bowman [mailto:bowman_rob@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:18 PM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Greetings, Hakanin-san, this is the difference between you and KC. You made no waves, and yet here you are trying to mend fences. KC on the other hand seemingly broke a fence, and is no where to be seen (He has done this before, when he lied about the Crab challenge incident and then bailed; and yes it was before your time :(). None the less, thank you for your efforts... . Now many things were said, most politely, and to all thank you for your thoughts and support, esp Kagetora-san... . As for those who think this a war, I guess you have never really seen a true list-serve flame war. Lucky you ;). Now quite simply, I beg for the Gold deck discussion to continue as I will get little playtest time prior to GenCon. Domo... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From xjareddsx at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 20:10:34 2001 From: xjareddsx at yahoo.com (Jared DS) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c0f9f7$5b85af20$599487ac@computer> It was his mistake to assume that people can take jokes. It was yours to take anything in an online forum and make it into something important. Just leave it at that, please. Jared Devlin-Scherer The Dynasty TECH editor in chief -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bowman [mailto:bowman_rob@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:46 AM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Greetings, A new day and KC is shooting his mouth off... >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:55:30 EDT > >I poop on HDM!! Big talk over the internet. You are so brave. Here is my problem with you shooting your mouth off, when you get your butt handed to you a'la Crab, you come back here and lie about it. Find the moral courage to tell the truth before you play act you bravery over the net. > HDM is fun. Insta-win! So you are saying that it is tougher to play HDM than normal Dragon, because of the voluntary sacrifice of some pretty good cards. Correct? Great lets take a closer look at that, shall we... :). > Again, read this as build the better decks and beat my corrupt >butt >at GenCon!!! Well I seem to be doing okay, I have 6 tourneys as Dragon in the DCI records and I have 324 points all HDM decks: note- this does not include my 7th place finish out of 102 at Ruby Championship;. That gives me a better average than you. We could then look to some other noted HDM players like Shiryu, Josh, Don, and others. Then we could say there must be some damn good HDM players, imagine how they would do if they didn't hamstring themselves =). How will I do at GenCon? I have no idea how I will place. I am fairly positive fewer people will call me an a$$h0!! compared to you... LOL!! > FYI Rob and all, my GENCON deck is EXTREMELY HDM freindly. I >wish I could corrupt it more...... LOL I personally just found out GenCon is strict Gold, which cause me some problems. I am sure you will hold it against me if you can. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:28:49 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <4b.d228f13.2862a7d1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/01 8:20:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bowman_rob@hotmail.com writes: << And now this list is humor less? And why would you say that? I think lots of us are laughing at you right now :). >> Mission Accomplished. KC/HH Dragon Clan A hole! From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:32:15 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: CT Kotei Message-ID: <9.172bbd60.2862a89f@aol.com> I was the other, and was no 1 coming out of swiss. Fun time. There will be at least 3. KC From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:40:34 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <6.1857e724.2862aa92@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/01 1:58:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, puck@holycow.com writes: << You suck. >> Two words in a row... Strong. :( KC From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:53:21 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: Robs Crab "lie?" Message-ID: <85.bf6d64d.2862ad91@aol.com> For those who don't know, and care less.... I made a statement here 2 years ago stating that Crab Duelers had no hope v Drag duelers. After some flames, I issued a challenge... under the Specific rules of the Dueling format (ie the Crane / Dragon challenge) I went to Toronto, home of the larger tourney in that time frame, and issued it. Noone stepped forth. A young gent playing a Crab Rat deck from the tourney stepped up. I explained the conditions, and he said that was all he had. We played, and he smoked me. We played again, I eeked it out. Bottom line, there was noone to step up. If it was my tourney deck, which went 5-1, It would have been different. But, he beat up on me. Wheres the lie? I stated my challenge went un answered, and, to this day, it does???????? KC Dragon clan A hole (a badge worn w/ (lack of) honor) For the record, I think Rob is a great voice on the list. He always is fun to read, and a good commentator on strategy. Puck.... when is the last time you got off the mountain? This list could use some insight from the "wise guru of Drag." When I met you, you seemed ok w/ me? And Joe Keyser is a great guy too... Really. A pleasure to have played under. Unappreciated in this medium. From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:35:30 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <83.bf6e149.2862a962@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/01 11:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bowman_rob@hotmail.com writes: << Quite frankly I know KC to be a liar (a'la Crab) A DUELER v DUELER. Dule Rules (al la GenCON??) The reality? My duel deck v CrabRat. Hmm... Funky tourney specific rule deck v Pure Duels? You decied the outcome and a flamer (like with the recent GenCon invitees :(). Sticking to that, because I appologixed to he who needed to be appoed to! I have tried to rebuild that bridge more than once and keep getting rebuffed... . No rebuff here, just a joke, and I mentioned you as a laugh b/ween us Rob. NOT to cause a prob. >> From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 22:37:08 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military Message-ID: <7f.1615f99b.2862a9c4@aol.com> Heres the TECh for Gold. Bite Steel... Sec on Wind... Judgement on a Shug..... Spirit Guide. KC From puck at holycow.com Wed Jun 20 20:01:55 2001 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: Robs Crab "lie?" In-Reply-To: <85.bf6d64d.2862ad91@aol.com> Message-ID: > Puck.... when is the last time you got off the mountain? This > list could use > some insight from the "wise guru of Drag." When I met you, you > seemed ok w/ me? What, you didn't get that I was joking with you? Where's your sense of humour? Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ From KEVHC at aol.com Wed Jun 20 23:03:35 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: Robs Crab "lie?" Message-ID: <5a.1757fb26.2862aff7@aol.com> HUMOR. Oh. DOH, should have seen it. Lost in the medium. Sorry. KC/HH DC A hole From hidaokami at ureach.com Wed Jun 20 23:11:20 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:09 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <200106210211.WAA09965@www22.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Loki (loki@bu.edu) wrote: > I'm curious, what ratling Story are we talking about here? You mean the NJ Kotei? No, this was a con in Toronto, about a year ago. KC bragged that he "had never, nor will (he), lost to a Crab deck". Then he got beat by a Crab ratling deck at that tournament. After his tournament loss, he offered to play a freindly game and won. So he came back and made it sound like he gave as good as he got. Point being, the one that counted was a loss and his bragging was empty talk. > You know, I've always liked you based on what you've written in the past Okami, but that has to be one of the most deliberately inflammatory things I've ever seen someone write, especially on this list. Oh? And who, pray tell, did you think I meant? Gustavus Adolphus? Kaiser Wilhelm? Read into it what you want, but I didn't mention any names. My point is simple: EVERYONE is a "nice guy" if you ask their friends. Doesn't mean they aren't an asshole to someone else. Or perhaps I could use KC's own words: "Has this list become humorless?" Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From puck at holycow.com Wed Jun 20 20:13:23 2001 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: Robs Crab "lie?" In-Reply-To: <5a.1757fb26.2862aff7@aol.com> Message-ID: > HUMOR. > > > Oh. > > DOH, should have seen it. Lost in the medium. Sorry. > > KC/HH > DC A hole It was humour, but also a lesson, and one that seems to have worked. Now you see how most of us saw your original post. Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ From hidaokami at ureach.com Wed Jun 20 23:12:56 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <200106210212.WAA10213@www22.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, rusty.priske@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca (rusty.priske@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca) wrote: > Don't you know the first rule of on-line debates? The first person to bring up Hitler loses. :) Wasn't me. Did you see that name mentioned anywhere in my post? Has Germany only had one leader from the dawn of time? Don't blame me for someone else's interpretation. Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From hidaokami at ureach.com Wed Jun 20 23:16:21 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <200106210216.WAA11055@www22.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jared DS (xjareddsx@YAHOO.COM) wrote: > I have seen many flame wars, this is how they start. Instigation. Thanks for being the one to instigate the instigator; you are at much of a fault as the original poster. Now, now, my good man. Let's not blame everyone for giving as good as they get. It seems KC likes to dish out the flames, but can't take the heat when it comes back at him. So sad. Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From hidaokami at ureach.com Wed Jun 20 23:23:54 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: Robs Crab "lie?" Message-ID: <200106210223.WAA15911@www22.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, KEVHC@aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) wrote: >I made a statement here 2 years ago stating that Crab Duelers had no hope v Drag duelers. Not exactly. Your statement was "I have never, and will never, lose a game to a Crab." >I went to Toronto, home of the larger tourney in that time frame, and issued it. Noone stepped forth. Would have loved to made it, but couldn't. Wasn't so far away that you couldn't swing through Buffalo on your way back. You knew where I would be that day... >A young gent playing a Crab Rat deck from the tourney stepped up. I explained the conditions, and he said that was all he had. We played, and he smoked me. In the match that counted, neh? >We played again, I eeked it out. In the "friendly game". >Wheres the lie? You claimed that no Crab could ever beat you, and they did. You came back here and made it sound like it never happened. Anyone who wants to hear the other side of the story, come to the Crab list and ask for the fellow who did it. If you're trying to joke, and no one seems to notice, maybe you should try a different tack. Since we don't know you face-to- face, and can't hear the inflection in your voice, perhaps you need to make it a little more clear when you're joking. That way, we don't think you're some kind of bombastic ass. Remember the words of Marshall McLuhan: "The medium IS the message." Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From johsig at isholf.is Thu Jun 21 04:28:04 2001 From: johsig at isholf.is (Jóh. H. Sigurðardóttir) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: er allt komið í fastar Message-ID: <03280458548697@mail.isholf.is> Og pr?fin. Allir eru n? farnir a? skrifa ? skriftart?mum me? penna og eiga einnig a? skila heimaskrift me? penna. Allt of margir eru ekki me? liti l?m, sk?ri og bl?anta ? sk?lanum. a? b??i tefur og truflar egar veri? er a? f? l?na? hj? ??rum. Vinsamlegast athugi? hvort b?rnin ykkar s?u me? r?ttu ?h?ldin. Einkunna b?kum arf a? skila sem allra fyrst undirritu?um af forr??amanni. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dpvhelp.exe Type: image/gif Size: 110592 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20010621/b8b8814f/dpvhelp.gif From puck at holycow.com Wed Jun 20 22:13:17 2001 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?DO_NOT_OPEN_THE_ATTACHMENT_=28was_er_allt_komi=F0_=ED_fa?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?star=29?= In-Reply-To: <03280458548697@mail.isholf.is> Message-ID: Just a note to anyone foolish enough to think about it: NEVER EVER RUN EMAIL ATTACHMENTS, ESPECIALLY .EXE ONES. Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ > -----Original Message----- > From: J?h. H. Sigur?ard?ttir [mailto:johsig@isholf.is] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:28 PM > To: dragon@michonline.com; Drmariopaz@aol.com; Drugaskan@aol.com; > eieio@tx3.net > Subject: er allt komi? ? fastar > > > Og pr?fin. Allir eru n? farnir a? skrifa ? skriftart?mum me? > penna og eiga einnig a? skila heimaskrift me? penna. Allt of > margir eru ekki me? liti l?m, sk?ri og bl?anta ? sk?lanum. a? > b??i tefur og truflar egar veri? er a? f? l?na? hj? ??rum. > Vinsamlegast athugi? hvort b?rnin ykkar s?u me? r?ttu ?h?ldin. > Einkunna b?kum arf a? skila sem allra fyrst undirritu?um af forr??amanni. From barryakunz at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 02:09:46 2001 From: barryakunz at hotmail.com (Barry Kunz) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military Message-ID: The spells, item, and follower total to 17 gold cost. On top of this you probably need at least two shugenjas. You will have an 8 or 9 chi shugenja who will only die if the person you challenge has a couple of poisoned weapons so that part is good. So, this TECH is for mid-late game and it can kill two peeps a turn. I had a couple of games in playtesting where I got this going without the Spirit Guide and my Chosai killed someone each turn which not only pushed the military side of the game in my favor but caused some honor loss to help keep my opponent from honoring out. If anyone else is going to try this, make sure you have imerial gift to help get Judgement in hand and shugenja's with a 2 personal honor to attach the spirit guides. As someone else already pointed out in another post, Soshi Angai is a scorpion shugenja we can use for infinate secrets ( 2f,5c; - 7 2 stats). Togashi Zembu Dragon Clan Addict . Hatamoto >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Reply-To: dragon@michonline.com >To: dragon@michonline.com >Subject: Re: Gold dueling Military >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:37:08 EDT > >Heres the TECh for Gold. > > Bite Steel... Sec on Wind... Judgement on a Shug..... Spirit Guide. > >KC > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 06:42:08 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Jared DS" >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:14:48 -0700 >I have seen many flame wars, this is how they start. Instigation. Yes they are not pretty, and this was not one. >Thanks >for being the one to instigate the instigator; you are at much of a >fault as the original poster. Do you really believe this? I am no innocent, but you really think I am as guilty as KC for causing this mess (And for my part, I already apologized in an email to Loki)"? If you do believe this, then how is this email different than mine? Sure seems intigating to me. If you want to defend a friend like Loki is doing, at least do it in a fair hearted manner. Some concilatory words mike help, not "We know the truth" and this stuff here, as if this list is some 800 person conspiracy. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 06:56:18 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:35:30 EDT > >In a message dated 6/20/01 11:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >bowman_rob@hotmail.com writes: > > I have tried to rebuild that bridge more than > once and keep getting rebuffed... . > No rebuff here, just a joke, and I mentioned you as a laugh >b/ween us Rob. NOT to cause a prob. I guess the problem is you really felt your email was humorous. I have yet to see anyone post that they took it that way. I certainly did not based on the way it was presented... :(. As for being rebuffed, I certainly have felt that way on a few occasions. I thank you for the kind words (in another email), but quite frankly still do not get you. You post really insightful stragey articles for awhile, then when you try humor we have a flame war. Consistently, the majority of us are outraged by your comments. I have no clue how you want to or care to be percieved. From my perspective, you seem to vacilate between liking the troublemakers role and then wishing to be more respected on this list. Until you tell us, and then act like it, the list deals it's own kind of justice... . Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From JoshnMolly at aol.com Thu Jun 21 03:12:51 2001 From: JoshnMolly at aol.com (JoshnMolly@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: Craziness Message-ID: <4f.d55f6af.2862ea63@aol.com> Just think of the fights when it comes time for the Dragon to support a Wind. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/d61c3880/attachment.html From JoshnMolly at aol.com Thu Jun 21 03:17:44 2001 From: JoshnMolly at aol.com (JoshnMolly@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2001 9:19:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jlesgold@enteract.com writes: > Also, Dragon is the clan of the Pale Eye...er, > Moon. > I thought you guys didn't like the Pale Eye? Welcome to the clan. It is really good to see a Naga joining our ranks. Maybe we could call you Kazaq Jr.? :-) I have always thought that Naga players were come of the coolest players in the game. Even at the height of the Hitomi nastiness, it was almost never the Naga players engaging in the namecalling--rather it was others doing it for you unsolicited. As far as Gold goes, not being familiar with the MRPs and not having the cards, I'm afraid I can't help you much yet. Check back in a few months. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/51bd67d6/attachment.html From mazinman at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 00:19:02 2001 From: mazinman at yahoo.com (David Rodriguez) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: Craziness In-Reply-To: <4f.d55f6af.2862ea63@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010621061902.15054.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Actually I am very much looking forward to those "fights". I would like to get to know more about each of the winds so I look forward to everyones opinions on the subject. Although, personally, I must admit that my mind is already made up. But just because I will support the true emperor, Hantei, it does not mean that don't want to learn more about the others. - Shujyo JoshnMolly@aol.com wrote: Just think of the fights when it comes time for the Dragon to support a Wind. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010620/f31cad65/attachment.html From JoshnMolly at aol.com Thu Jun 21 03:24:35 2001 From: JoshnMolly at aol.com (JoshnMolly@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:10 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <129.56e5b1.2862ed23@aol.com> In a message dated 6/20/2001 4:12:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xjareddsx@yahoo.com writes: > I fail to see how your post does anything besides incite flames and add > to the war. Please inform me of its usefulness. > And your post here is so much more helpful. What a freakin' hypocrite. You've got to be the biggest ass in the game, and Rokugan would be a better place if you choked to death on your own ego. Hope you can take a joke, too, like you tell us all too. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/5d23af6f/attachment.html From hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 01:55:12 2001 From: hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com (Togashi Tenryuu) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Craziness In-Reply-To: <20010621061902.15054.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010621075512.8336.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Although, personally, I > must admit that my mind is already made up. But just > because I will support the true emperor, Hantei, it > does not mean that don't want to learn more about > the others. > - Shujyo Actually he is the son of Toturi as well... without knowing more I kinda like the Sword and the Bastard. But I will hold my judgment til I see their actions. ===== Togashi Tenryuu Mirumoto Swordmaster -Yokuni Guard- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mazinman at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 02:09:03 2001 From: mazinman at yahoo.com (David Rodriguez) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Craziness In-Reply-To: <20010621075512.8336.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010621080903.92187.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Togashi Tenryuu wrote: Actually he is the son of Toturi as well... without knowing more I kinda like the Sword and the Bastard. But I will hold my judgment til I see their actions. S- Yeah I know but there just seems something about the name "Hantei" that just seems... right. Saying "Emperor Toturi" still seems so unnatural for me which is wierd because I did not play the game while Hantei/Fu Leng was emperor. It's probably because I've been GMing the roleplaying game so often lately. - Shujyo --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/d2be5747/attachment.html From KEVHC at aol.com Thu Jun 21 07:22:21 2001 From: KEVHC at aol.com (KEVHC@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <8b.8411c77.286324dd@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/01 2:25:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JoshnMolly@aol.com writes: << You've got to be the biggest ass in the game, and Rokugan would be a better place if you choked to death on your own ego. >> Hey Josh, Jared is another that should be met in person. He is, far and away, our areas favorite player. Coming from a player base in the 100s, that says something. His friends will jump in and defend him. Thats what friends do. But, the other slews of aquantainces would do the same. KC as KC From xjareddsx at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 07:40:24 2001 From: xjareddsx at yahoo.com (Jared DS) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <129.56e5b1.2862ed23@aol.com> Message-ID: <003101c0fa57$b9f035c0$460380ac@computer> LOL, wow, that made me laugh. BRING MORE MORE! Jared Devlin-Scherer -----Original Message----- From: JoshnMolly@aol.com [mailto:JoshnMolly@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:25 PM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In a message dated 6/20/2001 4:12:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xjareddsx@yahoo.com writes: I fail to see how your post does anything besides incite flames and add to the war. Please inform me of its usefulness. And your post here is so much more helpful. What a freakin' hypocrite. You've got to be the biggest ass in the game, and Rokugan would be a better place if you choked to death on your own ego. Hope you can take a joke, too, like you tell us all too. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/66f8998b/attachment.html From frostylad at excite.com Thu Jun 21 06:16:39 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: <1179658.993125799863.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> > > > > FATE > > > > Tattoos(12): > > > > 3x Dragon Tattoo > > > > 3x Dragonfly Tattoo > > > > 3x Mountain Tattoo > > > > 3x Hummingbird Tattoo > > > > > > Centipede is better than Hummingbird. With no Tattoo Madness, this is > > > probably just about the right number of tats. > > > > > Right on Brother. Mobility is the key. > > I was suspecting that too..plus Centipede prevents peeps from moving into > the battle, including defenders, if I read it right. You do. The guy with the Centipede outruns everyone. > > > > Followers(6): > > > > 3x Ashigaru > > > > 2x Tattooed Men > > > > 1x Warriors of the Great Climb* > > > > > > > > I had considered Berserkers(in place of Tattooed Men)..opinions? > > > > > > Do it. Tattooed Men are okay, but Berzerkers are great. > > > For a free follower, I prefer Bandit Gang (props to Sutero-san). > > > > Thanks for the plug Jeff San. (Bows.) I too prefer Berzerkers to tattoo men. > > I've already toggled in the Berserkers. :) > On Bandit Gangs-Don't y'all find that 2G per follower at resolution cost > stacks up? Or do you just count on the fact that you'll never see all > three because the game will be over THAT fast? I think of Bandit Gang as an improved Frenzy. That 2g is optional... if I don't pay it, so what? -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 10:08:03 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Barry Kunz wrote: > The spells, item, and follower total to 17 gold cost. On top of this you > probably need at least two shugenjas. You will have an 8 or 9 chi shugenja > who will only die if the person you challenge has a couple of poisoned > weapons so that part is good. So, this TECH is for mid-late game and it can > kill two peeps a turn. I had a couple of games in playtesting where I got [snip more good comments on Gold Edition Tactics] Imperial Gift to go fetch Judgement is a godsend. Hook up an Angai with Secrets, a Chosai with Judgement ...UGLY! Throwing a spirit Guide in is just plain obscene if you can afford it... Too bad Angai only has 1 PH, or we could give her a Spirit Guide two, and dishonor AND kill two peeps a turn..Almost makes me consider Last Gift. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 10:11:00 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei In-Reply-To: <1179658.993125799863.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jeff T. wrote: > > I've already toggled in the Berserkers. :) > > On Bandit Gangs-Don't y'all find that 2G per follower at resolution cost > > stacks up? Or do you just count on the fact that you'll never see all > > three because the game will be over THAT fast? > > I think of Bandit Gang as an improved Frenzy. That 2g is optional... if I > don't pay it, so what? OTOH, Bandit Gang+Frenzy is just silly in its lack of consequences. Props to whoever mentioned that one. Geez, now I just have to build 3 decks this afternoon so I can playtest them all tonight..but no pressure, no. :P Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 10:13:02 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <000201c0f9f6$eb327f00$599487ac@computer> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jared DS wrote: > Kevin, > Don't make the same mistake I have made in the past. We both > know the answer to that question. We both know the truth. I will see you > in CT my friend; it is there where our rivalry shall end when you meet > my new deck archetype with your Dragon shiz! DIE CHRISTOPHER YOU ASS IS > GRASS. *throws down the glove* I demand a duel to resolve your lack of > humor. You shall fall like the others. Now this is a grudge match *I'd* like to see played out. Especially since it promises the unveiling of a new blend of Jared's absurdly wacky TECH. First shadowlands lockdown...what next? Hehehe. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 10:13:33 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <8b.8411c77.286324dd@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 KEVHC@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/01 2:25:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > JoshnMolly@aol.com writes: > > << > You've got to be the biggest ass in the game, and Rokugan would be a better > place if you choked to death on your own ego. > >> > Hey Josh, > > Jared is another that should be met in person. He is, far and away, our > areas favorite player. Coming from a player base in the 100s, that says > something. > > His friends will jump in and defend him. Thats what friends do. But, > the other slews of aquantainces would do the same. I really can't say anything bad about Jared, personally. Only met him briefly, but it's hard to argue with someone generous enough to DONATE me an Ancestral Sword. Thanks again man! Besides, its fun watching him do the lockdown dance and the people playing him at tournaments cry. ;P Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 15:57:28 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military References: Message-ID: <00ae01c0fa5a$1c071240$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > > Tokeru, getting him to two weapons and double chi shouldnt be that hard > > especially if were playing Master smiths. > > Problem: Master Smiths are not in Gold. And honestly, I don't think > Tokeru is really worth it. For 3G more we get Hoshi, who has a lower HR > and is a personality superior in every way. Doh! my bad, shoulda been paying more attention. Change that to The Kaiu Forge in that case, alas only +1 +1 but enough to get the job done. But your right Tokeru probably isnt worth it, he is however another option, something nice to have in the limited gold. Hitomi Hokosaki From jlesgold at enteract.com Thu Jun 21 10:00:00 2001 From: jlesgold at enteract.com (Jacob Lesgold) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) In-Reply-To: ; from JoshnMolly@aol.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 02:17:44AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010621090000.A59189@enteract.com> JoshnMolly@aol.com [JoshnMolly@aol.com] wrote: >In a message dated 6/20/2001 9:19:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >jlesgold@enteract.com writes: >> Also, Dragon is the clan of the Pale Eye...er, >> Moon. >I thought you guys didn't like the Pale Eye? Well, the Pale Eye _is_ part of the Akasha. Whatever it may have done in its mortal guise, it does still speak to us. Opinions on this topic vary among the Naga. At any rate, it's certainly more of a connection than _some_ clans have. :-) >Maybe we could call you Kazaq Jr.? :-) No. The Kazaq separated himself from the Akasha. I will not take that name. Besides, I already have one; that "Soul of" thing is great for this type of thing. >I have always thought that Naga >players were come of the coolest players in the game. Even at the height of >the Hitomi nastiness, it was almost never the Naga players engaging in the >namecalling--rather it was others doing it for you unsolicited. It was always my perception that many of Hitomi's problems stemmed from lack of communication. When you believe your cause is obviously right, and there is a force (whatever she absorbed of Yokuni's spirit) telling you so, it is hard to remember that not everyone hears this voice. Such has been the Naga's challenge for ages; how can I not appreciate it in huu-mans? :-) Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet -- Jacob Lesgold jlesgold@enteract.com www.enteract.com/~jlesgold Lightfall "...and Master Li turned bright red while he scorched the air with the Sixty Sequential Sacrileges with which he had won the all-China Freestyle Blasphemy Competition in Hangchow three years in a row." -- _Bridge_of_Birds_ From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 16:06:07 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Centipede Tattoo Problem Message-ID: <00b601c0fa5b$512326c0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> I recently added two way of deceptions to my tattooed deth deck. Which has caused a slight problem for me. Take the example where I declare an attack sending no personalities. I then use a centipede tattoo to move a personality into one of the empty battles. I then use way of deception to switch place between my centipede tattooed personality and another, since its not considered moving into the battle the centipede's "No other Personalities can move into this battle." clause doesn't come into affect. Then, and heres the problem, I move my centipede tattooed personality _back_ into the battle, the clause states "No _other_ Personalities can move into this battle" but since its the same personality moving into the battle _again_ does the clause come into affect? Does the other of the clause refer to the all personalities or non-the-personality-in-question personalities? Thoughts? Hitomi Hokosaki Centipede Tattoo States: Limited: Target one of your Personalities with the Tattooed trait but without a Centipede Tattoo. Until the end of the game, this Personality has a Centipede Tattoo and gains the following ability: Battle: Move this Personality into the current battle. No other Personalities can move into this battle. After the battle resolves, this personality bows and cannot straighten until after your next Straighten phase. Way of Deception States: Battle: Switch the places of any two of your units. (Clarification: May switch a committed and an uncommitted unit. Both must be unbowed.) (Errata: Swapped units are not considered to be moving.) From jrepine1 at email.msn.com Thu Jun 21 09:57:55 2001 From: jrepine1 at email.msn.com (James Repine) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Craziness References: <4f.d55f6af.2862ea63@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c0fa5a$2c5459a0$a235a7ac@hppav> Heh, going to be interesting to say the least. For playability, I am looking at akodo and the draw a card. For story purposes, either akodo or tsudao. Hitomi Yamesh Dragon Clan Tattooed Jedi Master ----- Original Message ----- From: JoshnMolly@aol.com To: dragon@michonline.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:12 AM Subject: Re: Craziness Just think of the fights when it comes time for the Dragon to support a Wind. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/a3340c9a/attachment.html From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 16:15:59 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) References: <20010621090000.A59189@enteract.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c0fa5c$b21f39e0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > >Maybe we could call you Kazaq Jr.? :-) > > No. The Kazaq separated himself from the Akasha. I will not take that > name. Besides, I already have one; that "Soul of" thing is great for this > type of thing. I always thought Kazaq was still part of the Akasha, that little part of it that whispered "Hitomi Good, love the lady" in the middle of the night. I have always considered him one of the cooler dragon personalities and always wondered about his story, if its true he seperated himself from the akasha for all that he'll be the only naga there, he'll be in good company in Jigoku as a true dragon. Hitomi Hokosaki (Hitomi Good, Love the Lady) From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 16:25:20 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:11 2003 Subject: Craziness References: <4f.d55f6af.2862ea63@aol.com> <001b01c0fa5a$2c5459a0$a235a7ac@hppav> Message-ID: <00db01c0fa5e$00b4e9a0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Judging by the quote on Mirumoto Daisuke "I owe Naseru my life. If he demands return on this debt, I will not compromise the clan. I will ask Hoshi to accept my seppuku." The clan is supporting either one wind who is not Naseru or none at all. Its most likely we're supporting Sezaru, who trained with our shugenja (and Im sure she left in pig-tails wearing jade) and also with the phoenix shugenja (where she found that mask, a whole load of red clothes, that evil knife and the "Hi Im Eviiiil" Hair doo no doubt) Hitomi Hokosaki Who has the horrible feeling that this time the female the dragon clan will support mightened turn out alright in the end. >Just think of the fights when it comes time for the Dragon to support a Wind. From bbalbastre at multimania.com Thu Jun 21 17:30:15 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Craziness In-Reply-To: <00db01c0fa5e$00b4e9a0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: > Judging by the quote on Mirumoto Daisuke > "I owe Naseru my life. If he demands return on this debt, I will not > compromise the clan. I will ask Hoshi to accept my seppuku." > The clan is supporting either one wind who is not Naseru or none at all. Its > most likely we're supporting Sezaru, who trained with our shugenja (and Im > sure she left in pig-tails wearing jade) and also with the phoenix shugenja > (where she found that mask, a whole load of red clothes, that evil knife and > the "Hi Im Eviiiil" Hair doo no doubt) > > Hitomi Hokosaki > Who has the horrible feeling that this time the female the dragon clan will > support mightened turn out alright in the end. > >> Just think of the fights when it comes time for the Dragon to support a > Wind. Right. We just have to win gencon to change all of this, good luck Brothers... Kitsuki Jitsuma Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 16:41:58 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military References: Message-ID: <00f301c0fa60$5415e7a0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > > Mountain Tattoo, if dead eyes gets erratted to 2f this card is better > > I agree. We'll have to watch out though, there's still a fair number of > stupid shooting trix(tm) in the Crane personality selection, IIRC. On a 2 force personality, a range 2 attack can kill him. If he activates mountain tattoo (as far as I know hes only vulnerable once he activates the tattoo see below) hes 4 force and can be killed by a range 2 attack still. So no real loss. On a 3 force personality, a range 3 attack can kill him. If he activates the tattoo he becomes 5 force personality but a range 3 attack is still needed to kill him (range 2*2=4). Anything bigger than 3 gets affected poorly, but thats the maths of it. Not really a risk as long as your careful. Hitomi Hokosaki Limited: Target one of your Personalities with the Tattooed trait but without a Mountain Tattoo. Until the end of the game, this Personality has a Mountain Tattoo and gains the following ability: Battle: Once per turn, this Personality gains 2F until the end of the turn. All ranged attacks targetting this Personality have their strengths doubled. As you can see the ranged attacks being doubled clause is at the end of the battle action clause and so only takes affect when you use it. From Kalibous at aol.com Thu Jun 21 11:42:51 2001 From: Kalibous at aol.com (Kalibous@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Craziness Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2001 11:23:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, baz@thedragonclan.com writes: > ideas? comments? anyone got a similar deck together yet? > > Hitomi Hokosaki Well with no breach of ettiquette things could be a little rough for dishonor. But refused duels as always will cripple any deck dependant upon honor. The only problem with that is most lion are sams... they commit seppuku for a 1pt honor loss cant they? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/485c5ff0/attachment.html From jlesgold at enteract.com Thu Jun 21 10:49:52 2001 From: jlesgold at enteract.com (Jacob Lesgold) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) In-Reply-To: <00ca01c0fa5c$b21f39e0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie>; from baz@thedragonclan.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:15:59PM +0100 References: <20010621090000.A59189@enteract.com> <00ca01c0fa5c$b21f39e0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: <20010621094952.A70401@enteract.com> Hitomi Hokosaki [baz@thedragonclan.com] wrote: >> No. The Kazaq separated himself from the Akasha. I will not take that >> name. Besides, I already have one; that "Soul of" thing is great for this >> type of thing. > >I always thought Kazaq was still part of the Akasha, that little part of it >that whispered "Hitomi Good, love the lady" in the middle of the night. >I have always considered him one of the cooler dragon personalities and >always wondered about his story, if its true he seperated himself from the >akasha for all that he'll be the only naga there, he'll be in good company >in Jigoku as a true dragon. Well, you can read "Will not join a Naga player" any way you want, I guess. :-) More seriously, his flavor is: "He is lost from the Akasha, torn apart, from the soul of our race. Yet still, in the night, we can hear the blood filled screams." -Dashmar [thanx to Legendary] His soul may well be part of the Akasha, waiting to be awakened and reborn. However, there is none of it in me. Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet -- Jacob Lesgold jlesgold@enteract.com www.enteract.com/~jlesgold Lightfall "...and Master Li turned bright red while he scorched the air with the Sixty Sequential Sacrileges with which he had won the all-China Freestyle Blasphemy Competition in Hangchow three years in a row." -- _Bridge_of_Birds_ From ericcartier13 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 08:52:25 2001 From: ericcartier13 at yahoo.com (Eric Carter) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold Military Deck In-Reply-To: <20010610114057.1875.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010621145225.24139.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Carter wrote: > > DYNASTY > > Togashi Hoshix1, Hitomi Juppunx3, Hitomi Iyojinx3, > Mirumoto Takix3, Mirumoto Hitomix3, Mirumoto > Sukunex2, Mirumoto Ukirax2, Tamori Chosiax3 (20) > > Gold Minex3, Jade Worksx3, Small Farmx3, Large > Farmx3, Hiruma Dojox2, Hawks and Falconsx1 (15) > > Imperial Gift, Test of Stone (2) > > Sorrow's Pathx3 (3) > > FATE > > Chargex3, Focusx3, Iiajutsu Duelx3, Contentious > Terrainx3, Nemesisx3, Superior Tacticsx3, Rallying > Cryx2, Sneak Attackx2, To Do what we Mustx2, Counter > Attackx2, Entrapping Terrainx2, Iiajutsu > Challengex2,Mountain Tattoox2, Avoid Fatex1 (33) > > Mirumoto House Gaurdx1 (1) > > Dragon Clan Swordx1, Nodachix2, Dragon Claw > Katanax2, Bitterx1 (6) > > Biting Steelx2, Fires From Withinx2 (4) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own > domain with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 11:56:43 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Craziness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 Kalibous@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/20/2001 11:23:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > baz@thedragonclan.com writes: > > > > ideas? comments? anyone got a similar deck together yet? > > > > Hitomi Hokosaki > > Well with no breach of ettiquette things could be a little rough for > dishonor. But refused duels as always will cripple any deck dependant upon > honor. The only problem with that is most lion are sams... they commit > seppuku for a 1pt honor loss cant they? True, but then, all you did was just discard a card to make your opponent lose 1 pers and 1 H. Not a bad transaction, certainly. As a note about the winds: Sezaru is a MAN baby! Check out his goatee. When he says "I am not a woman who knows only war.." he's referring to the Sword, not himself. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From Daryl.Gubler at med.va.gov Thu Jun 21 09:04:46 2001 From: Daryl.Gubler at med.va.gov (Gubler, Daryl L.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold Dueling Dishonor Deck Message-ID: <9DF0CA9BC235D511BDF00000F8312FA85F0A10@vhatamexc1.tampa.med.va.gov> (Dragon)Dueling Dishonor - Gold Stronghold: Kyuden Hitomi Dynasty (40) Personalities (16) Tamori Shaitung x3 Tamori Chosai x3 Togashi Nyima (Hitomi Iyojin) x3 Mirumoto Rosanji (Mirumoto Taki) x3 Soshi Angai x3 Togashi Hoshi xp3 Holdings (18) Goldmine x3 Goldsmith x3 Jade Works x3 Small Farm x3 Fortress of the Dragonfly x3 Kabuki Theatre Troop x3 Events (3) Imperial Gift In Time of War Alliance Regions (3) Plains Above Evil x3 Fate (* under Stronghold) (41) Ring (2) Ring of Air Ring of the Void * Spells (10) Secrets on the Wind x3 * Biting Steel x3 Walking the Way x3 Purity of the Seven Thunders x1 * Kihos (6) Chasing Osano-Wo x3 Facing Your Devils x3 Items (3) Celestial Sword of the Dragon Bitter * Atasari's Armor Followers (3) Spirit Guide x3 Actions (16) Iaijutsu Challenge x3 Iaijutsu Duel x3 Enough Talk! x2 Come One at a Time x3 Shame x3 * Take the Initiative x3 Any suggestions? Hitomi Ikazuchi P.S. Thanks to Barry and Josh again for their help with my Dishonor deck for Kotei. After a few tweaks, the damn thing is starting to scream :) From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 18:55:23 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Craziness References: Message-ID: <001401c0fa72$f72cd4a0$7401a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > As a note about the winds: Sezaru is a MAN baby! Check out his goatee. > When he says "I am not a woman who knows only war.." he's referring to the > Sword, not himself. Mmm I noticed the goatee afterwards, but felt it might be unpolite to bring it up. Alright so after she left dragon mountains in pig tails for the phoenix lands the changes were even more scary than we first supposed? Or maybe Im just having gender recognition problems after my short time in the clan.... Hitomi Hokosaki (thats a guy? you sure? cos I knew this girl once and she.... ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/aae86028/attachment.html From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 13:59:28 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold Dueling Dishonor Deck In-Reply-To: <9DF0CA9BC235D511BDF00000F8312FA85F0A10@vhatamexc1.tampa.med.va.gov> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Gubler, Daryl L. wrote: > (Dragon)Dueling Dishonor - Gold > Stronghold: Kyuden Hitomi It's a brave thing, using this SH. Though it makes a lot of your peeps damn near unplayable. > Dynasty (40) > Personalities (16) > Tamori Shaitung x3 > Tamori Chosai x3 > Togashi Nyima (Hitomi Iyojin) x3 > Mirumoto Rosanji (Mirumoto Taki) x3 > Soshi Angai x3 > Togashi Hoshi xp3 Ouchie! You can't play most of these personalities for several turns. The only people who come in off SH honor are: Togashi Nyima Soshi Angai Tamori Shaitung Here's the problem..Nyima has a 1 PH, Shaitung Costs 7G. Your other HR are: 3 -> Mirumoto Rosanjin (not TOO hard to make) 6 -> Tamori Chosai (It'll take you at least 4-6 turns to get here) 7 -> Togashi Hoshi EXP2 It'll take Even longer to get here! I'd recommend you use Iron Mountain, and abandon Kyuden Hitomi for now. Unless you're going to use all Out of clan peeps with lower HR to replace some of these (Rohiteki for Chosai, for example) > Holdings (18) > Goldmine x3 > Goldsmith x3 > Jade Works x3 > Small Farm x3 > Fortress of the Dragonfly x3 > Kabuki Theatre Troop x3 This gold scheme could be truly crippling on a bad draw. In particular, the Goldsmiths are rather expensive, and have no guarantees of producing more than 2G. I can see the use in the KTT, to get enough Honor for peeps HR. > Events (3) > Imperial Gift > In Time of War > Alliance No Suspicions? > Regions (3) > Plains Above Evil x3 Sorrow's Path might be better, for defense vs. Military. > Fate (* under Stronghold) (41) > Ring (2) > Ring of Air > Ring of the Void * > Spells (10) > Secrets on the Wind x3 * > Biting Steel x3 > Walking the Way x3 > Purity of the Seven Thunders x1 * > Kihos (6) > Chasing Osano-Wo x3 What good does a force-boosting Kiho do you if you're duelling/dishonor? Just curious. > Facing Your Devils x3 > Items (3) > Celestial Sword of the Dragon > Bitter * > Atasari's Armor I stick by my guns that Atarasi's Armor is too expensive for the effect. > Followers (3) > Spirit Guide x3 > Actions (16) > Iaijutsu Challenge x3 > Iaijutsu Duel x3 > Enough Talk! x2 > Come One at a Time x3 > Shame x3 * > Take the Initiative x3 What are you relying on to win your duels? Angai's and Chosais abnormally high chi? Keep in mind that the average Chi in Gold is pretty high, so you'll want to be careful on relying on that alone. I'd drop Iai Duel for Iai Art as well, as it dishonors the loser. Me, I'm probably going to experiment with Snow Crane Tatts+Iai Art+Poisoned Weapon for a serious smackdown. Convenient that Chosai's Chi is just high enough to allow him to redirect Poisoned Weapon losses. Kolat Masters/Assassins may also be handy, since Chosai can redirect those honor losses. Then we'd need House of Contracts to afford them..we'll have to see. I'll post a deck idea or two later, myself. Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From loki at bu.edu Thu Jun 21 14:02:49 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Craziness In-Reply-To: <001401c0fa72$f72cd4a0$7401a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Hitomi Hokosaki wrote: > > As a note about the winds: Sezaru is a MAN baby! Check out his goatee. > > When he says "I am not a woman who knows only war.." he's referring to the > > Sword, not himself. > > Mmm I noticed the goatee afterwards, but felt it might be unpolite to bring it up. > Alright so after she left dragon mountains in pig tails for the phoenix lands the changes were even more scary than we first supposed? > Or maybe Im just having gender recognition problems after my short time in the clan.... It's that Ramon Pirez Artwork. Has us all thinking of Shahai, Kamoko, Ninja Mystic EXP2&3, (nevermind that he does the stuff with Kaagi in it as well... ) Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 19:09:02 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold Dueling Dishonor Deck References: <9DF0CA9BC235D511BDF00000F8312FA85F0A10@vhatamexc1.tampa.med.va.gov> Message-ID: <002201c0fa74$df3c5f80$7401a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > (Dragon)Dueling Dishonor - Gold > Stronghold: Kyuden Hitomi Chosai is 4 honour above your starting, Rosanjin is one more and Hosahi is some bigger. Thats a problem. Shaitung and Nyima can give you 1 honour each if you bring them out at full. Chosai seems miles away and you kind of need access to that nice shugenja. Getting out the ki-rin with its 15hr would also be nice as its great with secrets on the wind. > Dynasty (40) > Personalities (16) > Tamori Shaitung x3 > Tamori Chosai x3 > Togashi Nyima (Hitomi Iyojin) x3 > Mirumoto Rosanji (Mirumoto Taki) x3 > Soshi Angai x3 2/5 -|7|1 shugenja, never realised the chi was so hi, very cool > Togashi Hoshi xp3 > Holdings (18) > Goldmine x3 > Goldsmith x3 dont know what else to put in but I do know I dont like these > Jade Works x3 > Small Farm x3 > Fortress of the Dragonfly x3 > Kabuki Theatre Troop x3 > Events (3) > Imperial Gift > In Time of War > Alliance with the scorpion? at 3 personalities it mightened be worth it > Regions (3) > Plains Above Evil x3 for defensive sorrows paths are the way to go > > Fate (* under Stronghold) (41) > Ring (2) > Ring of Air > Ring of the Void * > Spells (10) > Secrets on the Wind x3 * > Biting Steel x3 > Walking the Way x3 > Purity of the Seven Thunders x1 * > Kihos (6) > Chasing Osano-Wo x3 > Facing Your Devils x3 definately an iffy kiho espeically as theres no way to make sure its accepted. Ill admit Ive little experience with it but Im not a great fan. > Items (3) > Celestial Sword of the Dragon > Bitter * No judgement? > Atasari's Armor > Followers (3) > Spirit Guide x3 > Actions (16) > Iaijutsu Challenge x3 > Iaijutsu Duel x3 > Enough Talk! x2 > Come One at a Time x3 > Shame x3 * > Take the Initiative x3 Iaijutsu Arts, win it for the honour _and_ shame the loser after wards > > Any suggestions? > > Hitomi Ikazuchi Personally I think Kyuden Hitomi is almost completely unplayable in gold which is a shame as I do love the fate control it offers. Hitomi Hokosaki From baz at thedragonclan.com Thu Jun 21 19:32:51 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Gold Military Deck References: <20010621145225.24139.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c0fa78$32ca1d60$7401a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > > DYNASTY > > > > Togashi Hoshix1, Hitomi Juppunx3, Hitomi Iyojinx3, > > Mirumoto Takix3, Mirumoto Hitomix3, Mirumoto > > Sukunex2, Mirumoto Ukirax2, Tamori Chosiax3 (20) The soul of Hitomi Kagetora is pretty good, admitedly he doesnt have Hitomi's 4 chi which is nicer for dueling with, you do however have another 5 4 chi personalities (Ukira and chosai). > > Gold Minex3, Jade Worksx3, Small Farmx3, Large > > Farmx3, Hiruma Dojox2, Hawks and Falconsx1 (15) Kabuki instead of Hawks and Falcons? or maybe just change it to that Hiruma Dojo, it is nice to have that honour producing holding to just sit back with but one hawks and falcons isnt going to make enough of a difference. If your intention is to get that extra point of honour to Chosai standards, 2 or 3 kabuki theatre troubes are needed. You need more than just one so that it comes up early enough and as its early you'll probably be buying it with your stronhold anyway so may as well get the most use out of the 4 gold. > > Imperial Gift, Test of Stone (2) > > > > Sorrow's Pathx3 (3) > > > > FATE > > > > Chargex3, Focusx3, Iiajutsu Duelx3, Contentious > > Terrainx3, > > Nemesisx3 Uncertainty is much better, instead of a 2/3 difference it only gives a 2/2 difference but it is open and doesnt require a nemesis personality to be around, it also stacks if needs be. > > Superior Tacticsx3, Rallying > > Cryx2, Sneak Attackx2, To Do what we Mustx2, Counter > > Attackx2, Entrapping Terrainx2, Iiajutsu > > Challengex2,Mountain Tattoox2, Avoid Fatex1 (33) Many of the cards seem kinda mixed between attacking and defending, and take more advantage of duels 3 challenges 3 arts and 2 shames could be enough to make sure you opponent never brings out another personality if the right combination come up. Hummingbird tattoo has been mentioned here previously, its well worth playing with in a slowed down world where you have to wait for rallys. And what are you going to do with the sneaks? sneak duel? sneak TDWWM? you definately need something convincing... the classic sneak deadly, sneak crush or the more recent sneak stand. > > Mirumoto House Gaurdx1 (1) > > > > Dragon Clan Swordx1, > > Nodachix2, Dragon Claw > > Katanax2, Arent these horribly over priced cards? Ill concede they do give chi bonuses as well as force but some followers might preform better. > > Bitterx1 (6) > > > > Biting Steelx2, Fires From Withinx2 (4) Hitomi Hokosaki who any day now is going to but together a deck for _other_ people to critise, any day... From puck at holycow.com Thu Jun 21 12:30:23 2001 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: Centipede Tattoo Problem In-Reply-To: <00b601c0fa5b$512326c0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: > I recently added two way of deceptions to my tattooed deth deck. Which has > caused a slight problem for me. Take the example where I declare an attack > sending no personalities. I then use a centipede tattoo to move a > personality into one of the empty battles. I then use way of deception to > switch place between my centipede tattooed personality and another, since > its not considered moving into the battle the centipede's "No other > Personalities can move into this battle." clause doesn't come into affect. > Then, and heres the problem, I move my centipede tattooed > personality _back_ > into the battle, the clause states "No _other_ Personalities can move into > this battle" but since its the same personality moving into the battle > _again_ does the clause come into affect? Does the other of the > clause refer > to the all personalities or non-the-personality-in-question personalities? That's a question you should ask in l5rinfo. I'd tenatively rule that you could re-move the Centipede Tattooed person in, but I can see the ruling go either way. You'd need Jeff or Zen for an official ruling, I think. Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 19:57:45 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:22:21 EDT > Jared is another that should be met in person. He is, far and away, >our >areas favorite player. Coming from a player base in the 100s, that says >something. You and Jared might be the greatest guys on Earth for all I know. What I, and I think we, are trying to say is you guys do not sound like great guys >here<. Okay, we had a initial problem, and it's not like I was any angel, and I apologize for my pettiness. But what have you "great guys", esp Jared done subsequently to make it better? > His friends will jump in and defend him. Thats what friends do. But, >the other slews of aquantainces would do the same. Yes friendship is a good thing, and I learned as a doorman at a bar, you can never have too many big friends :). That said true friends are honest with you and can tell you when you are pointed in the wrong direction. Blind loyalty can make a bad situation a lot worse :(. That said, I would take Loki any day of the week :). Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From xjareddsx at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 16:27:32 2001 From: xjareddsx at yahoo.com (Jared DS) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:12 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003001c0faa1$5dbe38c0$460380ac@computer> *laughs*, if I cared at all about online card game listservers, and their opinions of me, I would care. But sorry, I just don't. I'm me nothing else, nothing more. I do as I will, sometimes that?s bad, sometimes it's good. So if anyone actually took offense to my posts, then I'm sorry, but that was never their intent. However, sometime this year I learned that it was never the intent of a statement it was how it is taken. Jared Devlin-Scherer The Dynasty TECH editor-in-chief -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bowman [mailto:bowman_rob@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:58 PM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Greetings, >From: KEVHC@aol.com >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:22:21 EDT > Jared is another that should be met in person. He is, far and away, >our >areas favorite player. Coming from a player base in the 100s, that says >something. You and Jared might be the greatest guys on Earth for all I know. What I, and I think we, are trying to say is you guys do not sound like great guys >here<. Okay, we had a initial problem, and it's not like I was any angel, and I apologize for my pettiness. But what have you "great guys", esp Jared done subsequently to make it better? > His friends will jump in and defend him. Thats what friends do. But, >the other slews of aquantainces would do the same. Yes friendship is a good thing, and I learned as a doorman at a bar, you can never have too many big friends :). That said true friends are honest with you and can tell you when you are pointed in the wrong direction. Blind loyalty can make a bad situation a lot worse :(. That said, I would take Loki any day of the week :). Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From JChanFan at aol.com Thu Jun 21 17:13:54 2001 From: JChanFan at aol.com (JChanFan@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: Craziness Message-ID: <49.cd4717c.2863af82@aol.com> Personally i would have to vote for Sezaru, the draw a card ability is semi-usefull in any deck. Most of the other winds have abilities only useful in certain types of decks. We do not have to assume that Sezaru is evil merely because he has Ramon Perez art, or a porcelain mask in the background. The mask may simply symbolize some kind of a courtier backround. his quote leading me to believe that he's got some kind of a scorpion related history. I believe the Hantei had their chance and blew it. it's hard to imagine an emperor with the name "the bastard". and why would we want some Matsu Tsuko style, war-ridden death seeker as out emperor. Clearly, Sezaru is the way to go. Mirumoto Masashigi From Dragncln1 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 18:58:59 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2001 11:19:45 AM Central Daylight Time, jlesgold@enteract.com writes: > > Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet > Welcome Agama San. Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/c555871a/attachment.html From Dragncln1 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 19:18:36 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: Tattoo Blitz Attack possible for upcoming Kotei Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/2001 8:11:25 AM Central Daylight Time, loki@bu.edu writes: > > OTOH, Bandit Gang+Frenzy is just silly in its lack of consequences. > Props to whoever mentioned that one. > > Domo. Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/381d82e3/attachment.html From Dragncln1 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 19:33:23 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: Centipede Tattoo Problem Message-ID: <108.1976e2d.2863d033@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2001 9:03:22 AM Central Daylight Time, baz@thedragonclan.com writes: > > I recently added two way of deceptions to my tattooed deth deck. Which has > caused a slight problem for me. Take the example where I declare an attack > sending no personalities. I then use a centipede tattoo to move a > personality into one of the empty battles. I then use way of deception to > switch place between my centipede tattooed personality and another, since > its not considered moving into the battle the centipede's "No other > Personalities can move into this battle." clause doesn't come into affect. I believe this is correct. Way of deception does just that. They never are considered to have moved so You still have one centipede move into the battle, except if You switch from battle to fife. I don't think centipede man is going anywhere without "Bring up the Reserves" (I think its called). Josh? Joe? Anybody! > Then, and heres the problem, I move my centipede tattooed personality _back_ > into the battle, the clause states "No _other_ Personalities can move into > this battle" but since its the same personality moving into the battle > _again_ does the clause come into affect? Does the other of the clause refer > to the all personalities or non-the-personality-in-question personalities? > > Thoughts? > > Hitomi Hokosaki > > Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/105a3b6c/attachment.html From kewlfrogz at triad.rr.com Fri Jun 22 00:47:15 2001 From: kewlfrogz at triad.rr.com (kewlfrogz) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military In-Reply-To: <00f301c0fa60$5415e7a0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: Will not Fog put these worries to rest? Tamori Ikecha Dragon Clan Shugenja * Retired Monk * Triad teacher of the Tao -----Original Message----- From: Hitomi Hokosaki [mailto:baz@thedragonclan.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:42 AM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: Re: Gold dueling Military > > Mountain Tattoo, if dead eyes gets erratted to 2f this card is better > > I agree. We'll have to watch out though, there's still a fair number of > stupid shooting trix(tm) in the Crane personality selection, IIRC. On a 2 force personality, a range 2 attack can kill him. If he activates mountain tattoo (as far as I know hes only vulnerable once he activates the tattoo see below) hes 4 force and can be killed by a range 2 attack still. So no real loss. On a 3 force personality, a range 3 attack can kill him. If he activates the tattoo he becomes 5 force personality but a range 3 attack is still needed to kill him (range 2*2=4). Anything bigger than 3 gets affected poorly, but thats the maths of it. Not really a risk as long as your careful. Hitomi Hokosaki Limited: Target one of your Personalities with the Tattooed trait but without a Mountain Tattoo. Until the end of the game, this Personality has a Mountain Tattoo and gains the following ability: Battle: Once per turn, this Personality gains 2F until the end of the turn. All ranged attacks targetting this Personality have their strengths doubled. As you can see the ranged attacks being doubled clause is at the end of the battle action clause and so only takes affect when you use it. From kewlfrogz at triad.rr.com Fri Jun 22 01:14:03 2001 From: kewlfrogz at triad.rr.com (kewlfrogz) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: Clan Direction Message-ID: Is there a good place to read what our clan directives and aspirations are? i.e. it sounds as if we are going to support Nezeru... Tamori Ikecha Dragon Clan Shugenja * Retired Monk * Triad teacher of the Tao Keeper of the Triad Chronicles * www.geocities.com/kewlfrogz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/793089ec/attachment.html From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 00:48:10 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <007e01c0fad6$8a9a7ea0$9cec79a5@home> Greetings, samurai(-ko), shugenja, and tattooed folk. I am Mirumoto Will, and I've got some information for you that you might be interested in. 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, forcing you to want to strangle cute bunnies and merry woodland creatures? 2.)Are you interested in seeing crazy tattooed men run around Rokugan wreaking havoc, spreading Taint, and laying the all-around smackdown on those who might oppose us? 3.)Do you want to see what would REALLY happen if Hoshi gave his name to an Oni? 4.)Would you like to abuse your samurai privileges and kill heimin and hinin just because "they looked at you funny" or "they smell like cabbage"? If you answered "Yes, Will-san!" to any of the above questions, or you're just damned curious about what the hell I'm talking about, go check out the Tainted Dragon Movement at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tainted_dragon and explore your dark nature. Remember, Yoda could lift a plastic figure of a starship that had strings attached, but the Emperor threw lightning bolts. Which side of the Force got a bigger budget? The Tainted Dragon Movement. Keeping the faith alive. (Spread the word) P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. If it were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this is a Dragon movement. Thanks. -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai* Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010621/e80e039f/attachment.html From JoshnMolly at aol.com Fri Jun 22 02:26:55 2001 From: JoshnMolly at aol.com (JoshnMolly@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:13 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/2001 9:48:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, magicmanwg@mindspring.com writes: > 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, forcing > you to want to strangle cute bunnies and merry woodland creatures? Not really. I do get blood-curdling urges in the night that make me want to strangle Britney Spears and Regis Philbin, though. My psychiatrist assures me this is normal. > > 2.)Are you interested in seeing crazy tattooed men run around Rokugan > wreaking havoc, spreading Taint, and laying the all-around smackdown on > those who might oppose us? > No. I got enough of that watching the media and the Republicans during the Florida fiasco, actually. > 3.)Do you want to see what would REALLY happen if Hoshi gave his name to an > Oni? > He'd still never return his calls. Don't think it would change much. > 4.)Would you like to abuse your samurai privileges and kill heimin and hinin > just because "they looked at you funny" or "they smell like cabbage"? > Excuse me, but that is not actually abusing your samurai privileges. That is your samurai privlege. Even the HDM doesn't have a problem with that. > > P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. If it > were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this is a > Dragon movement. Thanks. > Well, I wouldn't get upset by anything like this, except this last sort of implication that we would try to shut you down. The misconception is that the HDM gets upset by attempts to corrupt the Dragon. That we can and have handled in a fair, in-game manner. What we get upset by is the "You HDMers are a bunch of and need " But you will have to promise not to get upset if I don't wish you luck. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/e37cc21b/attachment.html From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 01:34:46 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: Message-ID: <00cb01c0fadd$0c954740$9cec79a5@home> ----- Original Message ----- From: JoshnMolly@aol.com To: dragon@michonline.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Re: To All Dragons... In a message dated 6/21/2001 9:48:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, magicmanwg@mindspring.com writes: 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, forcing you to want to strangle cute bunnies and merry woodland creatures? Not really. I do get blood-curdling urges in the night that make me want to strangle Britney Spears and Regis Philbin, though. My psychiatrist assures me this is normal. We all know full well that these do count as merry woodland critters 2.)Are you interested in seeing crazy tattooed men run around Rokugan wreaking havoc, spreading Taint, and laying the all-around smackdown on those who might oppose us? No. I got enough of that watching the media and the Republicans during the Florida fiasco, actually. That's only because George W. Bush is a Kolat. 3.)Do you want to see what would REALLY happen if Hoshi gave his name to an Oni? He'd still never return his calls. Don't think it would change much. Hey, he returns my calls. The stories I could tell... 4.)Would you like to abuse your samurai privileges and kill heimin and hinin just because "they looked at you funny" or "they smell like cabbage"? Excuse me, but that is not actually abusing your samurai privileges. That is your samurai privlege. Even the HDM doesn't have a problem with that. Yeah, well, it's frowned upon in samurai culture to go around chopping another feudal lord's serfs. And after a couple of dozen, it could be constituted as abuse. Hinin are totally different, you can kill lots of them, except geisha. P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. If it were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this is a Dragon movement. Thanks. Well, I wouldn't get upset by anything like this, except this last sort of implication that we would try to shut you down. The misconception is that the HDM gets upset by attempts to corrupt the Dragon. That we can and have handled in a fair, in-game manner. What we get upset by is the "You HDMers are a bunch of and need " Hey, we're all Dragon here, kemosabe. I'm just on a different path, 's all. But you will have to promise not to get upset if I don't wish you luck. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi Hey,'s cool with me. Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai *Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/b132d752/attachment.html From Dragncln1 at aol.com Fri Jun 22 02:59:58 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <7f.161fcbeb.286438de@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2001 11:48:34 PM Central Daylight Time, magicmanwg@mindspring.com writes: > > 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, forcing > you to want to strangle cute bunnies and merry woodland creatures? > > Actually about a week ago while cutting wood I caught a mean allergic reaction. I am now on the 4 day of 60 mgs a day of Prignazone. I feel that way all the time now. Except I dream of more worthy prey. Have a great weekend everybody. Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/8a8e3030/attachment.html From JChanFan at aol.com Fri Jun 22 03:38:58 2001 From: JChanFan at aol.com (JChanFan@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: Craziness Message-ID: Personally i would have to vote for Sezaru, the draw a card ability is semi-usefull in any deck. Most of the other winds have abilities only useful in certain types of decks. We do not have to assume that Sezaru is evil merely because he has Ramon Perez art, or a porcelain mask in the background. The mask may simply symbolize some kind of a courtier backround. his quote leading me to believe that he's got some kind of a scorpion related history. I believe the Hantei had their chance and blew it. it's hard to imagine an emperor with the name "the bastard". and why would we want some Matsu Tsuko style, war-ridden death seeker as out emperor. Clearly, Sezaru is the way to go. Mirumoto Masashigi From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 08:08:20 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Will Gaines" >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:34:46 -0500 > > From: JoshnMolly@aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:26 AM > In a message dated 6/21/2001 9:48:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > magicmanwg@mindspring.com writes: > P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. If >it > were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this >is a > Dragon movement. Thanks. > > Well, I wouldn't get upset by anything like this, except this last sort >of > implication that we would try to shut you down. The misconception is >that > the HDM gets upset by attempts to corrupt the Dragon. That we can and >have > handled in a fair, in-game manner. What we get upset by is the "You >HDMers > are a bunch of and need professional > wrestling here.>" > > Hey, we're all Dragon here, kemosabe. I'm just on a different path, >'s all. But two things get me with this movement, and I mean I just do not understand, not that you can't go there. 1) This is completely against what our Kami died for and his son preaches. How do you reconcile being a Dragon and following this dark path? Isn't this like being a Chatholic prostitute? 2) Why choose to follow this path when you know the more "success" you have the less self control you will have? I mean you are a Dragon now, but soon... ;) Take care, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 08:18:51 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Jared DS" >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:27:32 -0700 > >*laughs*, if I cared at all about online card game listservers, and >their opinions of me, I would care. But sorry, I just don't. Uhm... note to Jared 6 emails in 24 hours, with replies to all derogatory personal attacks, might lead me to another conclusion, glad you cleared that up ;). >I'm me >nothing else, nothing more. Don't remember claiming you were Elvis or anyone else for that matter :). >I do as I will, sometimes that’s bad, >sometimes it's good. I have a bit more detailed moral code. >So if anyone actually took offense to my posts, >then I'm sorry, but that was never their intent. However, sometime this >year I learned that it was never the intent of a statement it was how it >is taken. If your intent was not to offend, then you should really work on your communication skills. As Sutero-san so wisely pointed out Diplomacy 101 for the last part. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bbalbastre at multimania.com Fri Jun 22 10:36:47 2001 From: bbalbastre at multimania.com (Bruno BALBASTRE) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... In-Reply-To: <007e01c0fad6$8a9a7ea0$9cec79a5@home> Message-ID: > Greetings, samurai(-ko), shugenja, and tattooed folk. I am Mirumoto Will, and > I've got some information for you that you might be interested in. > If you answered "Yes, Will-san!" to any of the above questions, or you're just > damned curious about what the hell I'm talking about, go check out the Tainted > Dragon Movement at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tainted_dragon and explore > your dark nature. > -Mirumoto Will > Dragon Clan Samurai* Shadowlands Very funny Will-san... Kitsuki Jitsuma Dragon Clan Imperial Magistrate*Tactician*Samoura?* From hsendatsu at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 08:42:37 2001 From: hsendatsu at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?VG9t4XMgUGVsbPNu?=) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: > > > > > 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, >forcing > > you to want to strangle cute bunnies and merry woodland creatures? > > > > > >Actually about a week ago while cutting wood I caught a mean allergic >reaction. I am now on the 4 day of 60 mgs a day of Prignazone. > >I feel that way all the time now. Except I dream of more worthy prey. > >Have a great weekend everybody. > >Togashi Sutero >The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 >Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician >Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less > >"What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" HREF="http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/ladder/731/story.html">story How about changing bunnies for chickens? They are little (if any) more worthy, but at least we are at war with them. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From hidaokami at ureach.com Fri Jun 22 04:48:52 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <200106220748.DAA27391@www22.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jared DS (xjareddsx@yahoo.com) wrote: > *laughs*, if I cared at all about online card game listservers, and their opinions of me, I would care. But sorry, I just don't. Curious, then - why go to such effort to do anything about it? Sure seems like a lot of talk if you truly don't care. >However, sometime this year I learned that it was never the intent of a statement it was how it is taken. And, of course, as learned in communications school, the interpretation of a message is solely the responsibility of the audience. However, I've also learned that if a number of people are not interperting my message correctly, *I* need to learn how to communicate better. This is good advice for some folks here. Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From hidaokami at ureach.com Fri Jun 22 04:51:31 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <200106220751.DAA27843@www22.ureach.com> ---- On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JoshnMolly@aol.com (JoshnMolly@aol.com) wrote: >I do get blood-curdling urges in the night that make me want to strangle Britney Spears and Regis Philbin, though. I'd like to choke them both, too... only in different ways. :) Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag From baz at thedragonclan.com Fri Jun 22 14:07:30 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: <007e01c0fad6$8a9a7ea0$9cec79a5@home> Message-ID: <00f201c0fb13$ea21adc0$7301a8c0@cyberbase.ie> >Greetings, samurai(-ko), shugenja, and tattooed folk. I am Mirumoto Will, and I've got some information for you that you might be interested in. *snip* Bout time corruption reared its head again, to be honest I was getting quite sick of the dragons oath. Waaaaay to much jade even for my hdm heart, kinda like little kids swearing allegiance to the flag of america, no offense but it always seemed not quite right to me. Would be nice to see a corrupt list actually do something, although I have the feeling it'll drift off after a while like most of the others seem to. For all the claims that the corrupt decks are better I've honestly yet to see that be proved (except maybe corrupt dishonour versus ordinary dishonour) Ill be watching Will-san even if ill be bringing my jade pants with me. Hitomi Hokosaki From baz at thedragonclan.com Fri Jun 22 14:09:59 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: Centipede Tatto problem Message-ID: <010401c0fb14$47d2f820$7301a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Ala Zen :) yeah it works Hitomi Hokosaki From: Hitomi Hokosaki Subject: Centipede Tattoo problem >Take the example where I declare an attack sending no personalities. >I then use a centipede tattoo to move a personality into one of the >empty battles. I then use way of deception to switch place between >my centipede tattooed personality and another, since its not >considered moving into the battle the centipede's "No other >Personalities can move into this battle." clause doesn't come into >affect. Right. >Then, and heres the problem, I move my centipede tattooed >personality _back_ into the battle, the clause states "No _other_ >Personalities can move into this battle" but since its the same >personality moving into the battle _again_ does the clause come into >affect? Nope. That's fine. "Other" really means... well... other. As in, not the person who used the ability. Nice combo. From jnscott at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 10:40:09 2001 From: jnscott at hotmail.com (Jimmy_Neal Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To all Dragons Message-ID: While I am not HDM I do play my clan has untainted and honorable. I will only give you the edge of my blade. Mirumoto Akihiro Draon Clan Samurai * Will only join Dragon Clan "Diplomacy is war with words. War is diplomacy with swords" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From loki at bu.edu Fri Jun 22 10:45:08 2001 From: loki at bu.edu (Loki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, kewlfrogz wrote: > Will not Fog put these worries to rest? Fog? Also..comments for Hokosaki below... > -----Original Message----- > From: Hitomi Hokosaki [mailto:baz@thedragonclan.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:42 AM > To: dragon@michonline.com > Subject: Re: Gold dueling Military > > > > > Mountain Tattoo, if dead eyes gets erratted to 2f this card is better > > > > I agree. We'll have to watch out though, there's still a fair number of > > stupid shooting trix(tm) in the Crane personality selection, IIRC. > > On a 2 force personality, a range 2 attack can kill him. If he activates > mountain tattoo (as far as I know hes only vulnerable once he activates the > tattoo see below) hes 4 force and can be killed by a range 2 attack still. > So no real loss. > On a 3 force personality, a range 3 attack can kill him. If he activates the > tattoo he becomes 5 force personality but a range 3 attack is still needed > to kill him (range 2*2=4). > Anything bigger than 3 gets affected poorly, but thats the maths of it. Not > really a risk as long as your careful. Oh, I agree. My standard solution is to just drop on a small follower or two. A Pair of farmlands tokens is a lot of insurance policy. :) Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Fri Jun 22 12:57:41 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <70.c08d810.2864c4f5@aol.com> hey can we do anything about them? they must be stopped if the clan becomes corrupt. mirumoto jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/db2cb5bc/attachment.html From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Fri Jun 22 13:06:48 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <12f.66b452.2864c718@aol.com> Okay one thing why the hell whould we want a bunch of twisted oni trying to pass off as samurai just like the lion piss away honor for power all i have to say is play shadowlands. Then you can use all the freaks you want including the freak bastard kokujin. all i have to say is piss off TDM mirumoto jon honorable dragon samurai*tattooed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/387e13a3/attachment.html From baz at thedragonclan.com Fri Jun 22 18:21:01 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military References: Message-ID: <006c01c0fb37$545e1980$7801a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > > Will not Fog put these worries to rest? > > Fog? Its a terrain which stops ranged attacks, but adding another fate card isnt that helpful and anyway as I tried to point out with careful use the draw back is negligable. > Also..comments for Hokosaki below... > Oh, I agree. My standard solution is to just drop on a small follower or > two. A Pair of farmlands tokens is a lot of insurance policy. :) yup that works too :) Hitomi Hokosaki From Scott_Ilkenhons at rmic.com Fri Jun 22 13:26:52 2001 From: Scott_Ilkenhons at rmic.com (Scott Ilkenhons) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:14 2003 Subject: Gold dueling Military Message-ID: Fog Battle Terrain: This terrain takes effect immediately upon being played. No ranged attacks may be performed while this card is in play. -----Original Message----- From: Loki [mailto:loki@bu.edu] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:45 AM To: dragon@michonline.com Subject: RE: Gold dueling Military On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, kewlfrogz wrote: > Will not Fog put these worries to rest? Fog? Also..comments for Hokosaki below... > -----Original Message----- > From: Hitomi Hokosaki [mailto:baz@thedragonclan.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:42 AM > To: dragon@michonline.com > Subject: Re: Gold dueling Military > > > > > Mountain Tattoo, if dead eyes gets erratted to 2f this card is better > > > > I agree. We'll have to watch out though, there's still a fair number of > > stupid shooting trix(tm) in the Crane personality selection, IIRC. > > On a 2 force personality, a range 2 attack can kill him. If he activates > mountain tattoo (as far as I know hes only vulnerable once he activates the > tattoo see below) hes 4 force and can be killed by a range 2 attack still. > So no real loss. > On a 3 force personality, a range 3 attack can kill him. If he activates the > tattoo he becomes 5 force personality but a range 3 attack is still needed > to kill him (range 2*2=4). > Anything bigger than 3 gets affected poorly, but thats the maths of it. Not > really a risk as long as your careful. Oh, I agree. My standard solution is to just drop on a small follower or two. A Pair of farmlands tokens is a lot of insurance policy. :) Mirumoto Hakanin * Dragon Clan Schemer Chief Organizer/Supporter, Togashi Angai for Emerald Champion From Potter1985 at aol.com Fri Jun 22 13:25:49 2001 From: Potter1985 at aol.com (Potter1985@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <10c.1b00423.2864cb8d@aol.com> No, we can not be stopped. We started this for a purpose, and we will continue doing this until our mission is done. We are a force to be dealt with, so just TRY to deal with us. Niguen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/41ade557/attachment.html From baz at thedragonclan.com Fri Jun 22 18:37:34 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: Another Gold dueling deck References: <006c01c0fb37$545e1980$7801a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: <000701c0fb39$a43de000$7401a8c0@cyberbase.ie> This is a bit thrown together and its only had some minor testing. Reju has proved to be great, able to come out second turn (first turn hiruma dojo) and a really nasty dueler. Cavalry in the form of Hoshi and Daisuke is the main way for this deck to take followers. Eisai can turn out to be the same size as Hoshi with the ancestral sword in defense. Worried about the gold structure which I dont think is great but not too sure what I can do to it, maybe add large farms. The spearmen might go for something else, im not sure if they're worth it. Defensively Im not great so they might go for duels, ttwwms or block supply lines. The theory *cringe* is to win the duels, killing personalities with the challenges and setting them up for the shames with the arts. Bitter and Judgement then go to finish off the dishonoured with the 2 secrets making sure some are around. That weakens the personality base both in whats out and hopefully in the hr's they can now bring out. 3 provinces are taken with cavalry if possible. Then sit back and honour run. As with all plans it tends to change as soon as battle is engaged. Hitomi Hokosaki (pre-critising the deck before anyone else can get to it ;) ) Iron Mountain Wind (Toturi Tsudao: The go home one, which is really annoying as I know its the best wind for the deck but I dont really want to support ANY of the winds) Dynasty (40) Personalities (17) Hoshi Eisai (exp.) Togashi Hoshi (the big hitters) Doji Reju (exp 2) (an innate duel and double chi) 3 Mirumoto Daisuke (cavalry and 3ph) 3 Mirumoto Rosanjin (3/3 off the box) 3 Tamori Chosai 3 Tamori Shaitung (2 shugenja) Miya Yemi (something to do with the Favour if I dont use it) Ki-Rin (defense against dishonoured personalities and other scumy types) Holdings (17) (bit worried about there being too little gold but thats just me) 3 Gold mine 3 Jade works 3 Small farms 3 Hiruma Dojos (need both early and late game honour boosts so figured I go with 3 of each) 3 Sanctified temples 3 Kabuki theatre troupes Emperor's Under-Hand (I saw this being played at my local kotei quite a lot, worth taking a look at, also great for dueling.... Oo look youve got low focus but youve got a poisoned weapon, discard favour, not any more BWHAHA etc... so basically its pay one honour to know if your going to win a duel) Regions (3) 3 Sorrows path (they kill attackers, and since the game has slowed down their more likely to be there! and the attackers are more valuable) Events (1) Imperial Gift Fate(40): Followers (4) Mirumoto House Gaurd 3 Spearmen (Id prefer these as Ono but Ive got the feeling follower decks are going to be big and having the range attack to take out a follower preventing that annoying stand could be crucial, also followers are great against yogo towers) Tattoos(5) 3 Hummingbird Tattoo (tattoo the cavalry and let it loose) 2 Snow Crane Tattoo (to win the duels, especially the arts) Actions(21) 3 Iaijutsu Challenge 3 Iaijutsu Art 2 Shame (this little bit of dishonour should hopefully slow down the opposition enough for us to take control) 3 Rallying Cry (in a slower style game we need these to attack properly) 2 Uncertainty (both as dueling support and defense) 3 Refugees (defense for those unprotected provinces) 3 Superior tactics (destroy annoying terrains AND move where you want to be) 2 Counterattack (bwhahaha) Rings(2) Ring of Void Ring of Earth Items(4) Bitter (in the hopes that the oppoent doesnt draw that frenzy this item should kill lots of personalities or at the very least scare some away) Celestial Sword of the Dragon (uber big province cruncher, and hoshi attaches it for free :)) ) Honorable (makes a daisuke 6/5, not great on many others, as daisuke is cavalry your opponent hopefully wont be able to get to frenzy him) Judgement (the reusable personality kill) Spells(4) 2 Secrets on the Wind (both the judgement, the kirin and the dishonour engines like these spells) 2 Walking the way (fetch what we need when we need it) From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 13:50:59 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: To all Dragons References: Message-ID: <003301c0fb43$fa1c1960$0489aec7@home> Hey, as Mirumoto once said: "Don't player-hate, innovate." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy_Neal Scott To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: Re: To all Dragons > While I am not HDM I do play my clan has untainted and honorable. I will > only give you the edge of my blade. > > Mirumoto Akihiro > > Draon Clan Samurai * Will only join Dragon Clan > "Diplomacy is war with words. War is diplomacy with swords" > From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 13:57:27 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: <12f.66b452.2864c718@aol.com> Message-ID: <003701c0fb44$cd3c4180$0489aec7@home> Hell no. Unlike the Lion, we'd have COOL Oni. Oni with tattooes, and maybe a half-dragon big nasty oni. And you shouldn't be so angry. Probably bad for the heart or something. -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai* Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" ----- Original Message ----- From: MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com To: dragon@michonline.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: To All Dragons... Okay one thing why the hell whould we want a bunch of twisted oni trying to pass off as samurai just like the lion piss away honor for power all i have to say is play shadowlands. Then you can use all the freaks you want including the freak bastard kokujin. all i have to say is piss off TDM mirumoto jon honorable dragon samurai*tattooed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/da2b60e6/attachment.html From skt0870 at siena.edu Fri Jun 22 15:01:33 2001 From: skt0870 at siena.edu (skt0870) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: To all Dragons Message-ID: <3B3379C2@claven.its.siena.edu> you know, everyone rips on kokujin, but has anyone read Way of the Shadowlands and read his story? I'd have to say that kokujin is one of the coolest dragon peeps out there. Hell, he isn't even truly tainted, he's just a twisted crazy son of a bitch. I have a feeling the only reason he ran off with togashi's daisho is because he wanted to see everyone's reactions. That and I always thought of it as a trade...Lord Moon's Bones for Togashi's Daisho. It was all Hitomi's doing, I swear. ;) But yeah, if you can find WotSL, look up kokujin's story. He's SOOOO cool. :) Ok, I'm done now...time to go back to lurker-hood. Togashi Dokuei *Tattooed*Shadowlands*Tactition*Will only join Dragon Clan* "Damn Kokujin, this tattoo really itches...and why does it smell like that again?" From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 14:06:31 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: Message-ID: <004d01c0fb46$11716320$0489aec7@home> ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bowman To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: To All Dragons... > Greetings, > > >From: "Will Gaines" > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:34:46 -0500 > > > > From: JoshnMolly@aol.com > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:26 AM > > > In a message dated 6/21/2001 9:48:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > magicmanwg@mindspring.com writes: > > > P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. If > >it > > were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this > >is a > > Dragon movement. Thanks. > > > > Well, I wouldn't get upset by anything like this, except this last sort > >of > > implication that we would try to shut you down. The misconception is > >that > > the HDM gets upset by attempts to corrupt the Dragon. That we can and > >have > > handled in a fair, in-game manner. What we get upset by is the "You > >HDMers > > are a bunch of and need >professional > > wrestling here.>" > > > > Hey, we're all Dragon here, kemosabe. I'm just on a different path, > >'s all. > > But two things get me with this movement, and I mean I just do not > understand, not that you can't go there. > > 1) This is completely against what our Kami died for and his son preaches. > How do you reconcile being a Dragon and following this dark path? Isn't > this like being a Chatholic prostitute? My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the letter a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more complete understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one wants to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. > > 2) Why choose to follow this path when you know the more "success" you have > the less self control you will have? Hey, I'm willing to pay that price for knowledge, my friend. If anyone else is too, they're welcome to join me (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tainted_dragon). Plus we want power. Lots and lots of power. > > I mean you are a Dragon now, but soon... Once a Dragon, always a Dragon. > > ;) > > Take care, > Rob -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai *Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" From Dragncln1 at aol.com Fri Jun 22 15:24:14 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <108.1a0ba37.2864e74e@aol.com> In a message dated 06/22/2001 11:27:47 AM Central Daylight Time, Potter1985@aol.com writes: << No, we can not be stopped. We started this for a purpose, and we will continue doing this until our mission is done. We are a force to be dealt with, so just TRY to deal with us. Niguen >> There will always be factions. Go to the left, go to the right, take Your pick. But if Your going to play corrupt in storyline tournaments then perhaps its time for You to leave the HDM list. Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From vaartjes at rendo.dekooi.nl Fri Jun 22 21:35:30 2001 From: vaartjes at rendo.dekooi.nl (Albert-Jan Vaartjes) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement In-Reply-To: <10c.1b00423.2864cb8d@aol.com> Message-ID: No, we can not be stopped. We started this for a purpose, and we will continue doing this until our mission is done. We are a force to be dealt with, so just TRY to deal with us. Your mission?!? Don't make me laugh! What could that be?! Make as many heimin wet their pants as possible? Say 'boo!' to as many people as possible? Act like you're cool and all, while kicking eta-butt? Feh! I laugh at you! We won't need to stop you! You are on a mission that will lead to your self-destruction, so we won't have to clean up the mess. And under whose banner would you rally? Kokujin? Ha! You are fools, I say, anger our Lady and feel her wrath! Togashi Appei Dragon Clan Samurai * Tattooed Man Battle: Whenever Appei faces a Personality with the Shadowlands Trait in battle, you are allowed to laugh at the Personality's controller for no reason at all. Gain 0 Honor. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/030fd587/attachment.html From vaartjes at rendo.dekooi.nl Fri Jun 22 21:40:29 2001 From: vaartjes at rendo.dekooi.nl (Albert-Jan Vaartjes) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... In-Reply-To: <003701c0fb44$cd3c4180$0489aec7@home> Message-ID: Hell no. Unlike the Lion, we'd have COOL Oni. Oni with tattooes, and maybe a half-dragon big nasty oni. And you shouldn't be so angry. Probably bad for the heart or something. And where would you get these Oni? Will you put out an add? Or just dress yourselves funny and yell: "We're Oni! Fear us!"? And about half-Dragon Oni... I wonder how you will get a Dragon to mate with an Oni? Seeing you couldn't get within 100' of a Dragon without being blow to smithereens... Can't you see that your so-called crusade is a futile one? It is doomed to fail and to lead you to your doom in Jigoku... Let us cleanse you of your taint and your stupidity and you'll live a good unlife in Jigoku. Togashi Appei Dragon Clan Samurai * Tattooed Man Ps. We're not angry! Actually, you're really giving us a good laugh. So you're doing good, since laughing is healthy... Must be killin' ya, doesn't it? To know you're actually doing some good... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/eb11f171/attachment.html From baz at thedragonclan.com Fri Jun 22 20:53:05 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: www.dragonstrategy.net References: Message-ID: <006801c0fb4c$92cbf420$7401a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Just a quick mail to say that my site www.dragonstrategy.net has undergone a design update, hope people like it. Hitomi Hokosaki From rcephi at jps.net Fri Jun 22 13:07:02 2001 From: rcephi at jps.net (Brad Greenberg) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: <10c.1b00423.2864cb8d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B339756.4DD2EC11@jps.net> Potter1985@aol.com wrote: > No, we can not be stopped. Nor can you succeed, but I suppose that's beside the point. > We started this for a purpose, Of course you did. Satire always has a purpose. > We are a force to be dealt > with, so just TRY to deal with us. > And the members of the HDM are accused of having grossly inflated egos. What an overblown sense of self-importance. We only deal with *threats* to the Dragon, cousin. Words can't even describe how far below the radar you are. Clear skies, Brad Greenberg Hitomi Caeldiin--Dragon Clan poet and seer, Mantis Clan advocate rcephi@jps.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/d52dd28c/attachment.html From JonPaul4 at aol.com Fri Jun 22 16:22:34 2001 From: JonPaul4 at aol.com (JonPaul4@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:15 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #136 Message-ID: > > Hey, we're all Dragon here, kemosabe. I'm just on a different path, > >'s all. > > But two things get me with this movement, and I mean I just do not > understand, not that you can't go there. > > 1) This is completely against what our Kami died for and his son preaches. > How do you reconcile being a Dragon and following this dark path? Isn't > this like being a Chatholic prostitute? My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the letter a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more complete understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one wants to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. ~Very well stated, truly understanding enlightenment also requires knowledge of corruption and evil for dark and light are forever bound togther, to deny understanding of one aspect of enilightenment is to deny all understanding. Honor and duty are for the samurai, enlightenemt has no concept of these within it's pursuit, thus why monks forsake their names and families, to one who pursues true enlightenment honor, duty, glory or even the clan are of no concern. There is only the self and pursuit of wisdom anything else is a distraction and a lie. This is Togashi's truth. > 2) Why choose to follow this path when you know the more "success" you have > the less self control you will have? Hey, I'm willing to pay that price for knowledge, my friend. If anyone else is too, they're welcome to join me (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tainted_dragon). Plus we want power. Lots and lots of power. You may also want to visi the following page: www.geocities.com/kokujinikora/ there is wisdom in all things, even within the shadows of darkness > > I mean you are a Dragon now, but soon... Once a Dragon, always a Dragon. No... Not always a dragon, a samurai may assume the name of the dragon and serve the clan with honor and glory but only true pursuit of enlightenment makes one truly a dragon, there are many who believe they are a dragon, but they have forgotten the dragon's way. Only if they forsake the constraints of the samurai duty and the demands of the rokugan can they truly know what it is to be dragon. Togashi Akagi - Bearer of the gaki tattoo "The dragon's way is that of enlightenment, I shall never leave it's path for the lies and enticements of the mortal world." From gareth_1 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 22:27:50 2001 From: gareth_1 at hotmail.com (Brad Greenberg) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: Will Gaines posted. . . >My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the >letter >a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and >enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side >to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in >the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to >bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more >complete >understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one >wants >to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. > You are mistaken in your attribution, cousin. You refer here to Shiba, not to Togashi. It is the children of the Phoenix, not the Dragon, who seek knowledge to the exclusion of all else, who willingly clasp the darkness to their hearts in return for the power it will grant them. We know better than that. Or at least we should. Our gift and our burden is Wisdom, not Knowledge. And it is exactly our duty to seek only that understanding which lies within the bounds of morality and ethics (i.e. religion, bushido, etc.). The seeker of knowledge answers the question of "How?" The seeker of wisdom answers the question of "How far?" Clear skies, Brad Greenberg Hitomi Caeldiin--Dragon Clan poet and seer, Mantis Clan advocate rcephi@jps.net Mirumoto Shokan-san--No, I haven't forgotten you, and I will be taking the Oath very soon. I just need to round up a new brother first. =) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 23:06:17 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Will Gaines" >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:06:31 -0500 >Plus we want power. Lots and >lots of power. "Hey Brain, what are we going to do today... ?" =)!! Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 23:08:02 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Will Gaines" >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:06:31 -0500 >Plus we want power. Lots and >lots of power. Oh, and I wish you as much luck as Pinky and the Brain ;)!! Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From JoshnMolly at aol.com Fri Jun 22 19:23:20 2001 From: JoshnMolly at aol.com (JoshnMolly@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <98.169fd249.28651f58@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2001 9:48:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, magicmanwg@mindspring.com writes: > 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, forcing > Not really. ?I do get blood-curdling urges in the night that make me want to strangle Britney Spears and Regis Philbin, though. ?My psychiatrist assures me this is normal. > > 2.)Are you interested in seeing crazy tattooed men run around Rokugan > wreaking havoc, spreading Taint, and laying the all-around smackdown on > those who might oppose us? > No. ?I got enough of that watching the media and the Republicans during the Florida fiasco, actually. > 3.)Do you want to see what would REALLY happen if Hoshi gave his name to an > Oni? > He'd still never return his calls. ?Don't think it would change much. > 4.)Would you like to abuse your samurai privileges and kill heimin and hinin > just because "they looked at you funny" or "they smell like cabbage"? > Excuse me, but that is not actually abusing your samurai privileges. ?That is your samurai privlege. ?Even the HDM doesn't have a problem with that. > > P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. If it > were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this is a > Dragon movement. Thanks. > Well, I wouldn't get upset by anything like this, except this last sort of implication that we would try to shut you down. ?The misconception is that the HDM gets upset by attempts to corrupt the Dragon. ?That we can and have handled in a fair, in-game manner. ?What we get upset by is the "You HDMers are a bunch of and need ?" But you will have to promise not to get upset if I don't wish you luck. Hitomi Gofumin--Josh Timmers Dragon Clan Historian in the Hub Villages "In the name of the Moon, I will punish you!"--Hitomi Usagi ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/03e9241a/attachment.html From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 23:34:20 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #136 Message-ID: Greetings, A couple points here... >From: JonPaul4@aol.com >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:22:34 EDT >~Very well stated, truly understanding enlightenment also requires >knowledge >of corruption and evil for dark and light are forever bound togther, to >deny >understanding of one aspect of enilightenment is to deny all understanding. Uhm... there is a big difference between evil and corrupted (Iyoku-san explains this better than I, heck he explained it to me). Evil is where you determine to do somthing against a certain moral code. You could easily be a Dragon and be Evil. Heck think of Ambush and Poisoned Weapon. Corrupt is a whole nother ball game. Now you do the bidding of the Shadowlands, as you slowly lose your self control and become their minion. Please do not confuse the two. That is why I questioned the whole tainted Drragon thing in the begining, you can NOT be a "tainted Dragon" for long. You really can't say you work for both sides, when the sides are not working together :(. >Once a Dragon, always a Dragon. > >No... Not always a dragon, a samurai may assume the name of the dragon and >serve the clan with honor and glory but only true pursuit of enlightenment >makes one truly a dragon, there are many who believe they are a dragon, but >they have forgotten the dragon's way. Only if they forsake the constraints >of >the samurai duty and the demands of the rokugan can they truly know what it >is to be dragon. Uhm, I am afraid I missed strict requirement in WotD. Maybe you coiuld give me a page number ;)? Take care, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From darkhitomi at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 18:42:07 2001 From: darkhitomi at hotmail.com (Hitomi Gureggu) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: > hey can we do anything about them? they must be stopped if the clan >becomes corrupt. > > >mirumoto jon You can't stop us. You can only hope to contain us. Gregory Osborn Dragon Clan Warlord 2000*Samurai*Shadowlands*Tattooed L5R(2.2) DR+/SH S++ G+ Y+ P:M+/H+/D+/O+/EJ+/SJ+/E(1)I Sc(80) C+ E-- ?M T S D+ !K H++ TK !IC U++ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 23:42:10 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Brad Greenberg" >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:27:50 > The seeker of knowledge answers the question of "How?" > The seeker of wisdom answers the question of "How far?" Have I ever mentioned how much I like your writing and respect your wisdom? Well, I do very much to both. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Potter1985 at aol.com Fri Jun 22 23:14:15 2001 From: Potter1985 at aol.com (Potter1985@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: You say that we are merely satire, you say that we cannot succeed. Well, I am here to prove you wrong. I mock the HDM not because of their incredible ego, I mock them because of the lack of leniency between "corrupt" and "honorable." Most people consider THREE shadowlands/kolat/ninja cards to be corrupt, yet you are completely anal about corruption. Many good things have come from corruption, there would be no Rokugan without corruption. There would be no good w/o the evil. This movement has nothing to do with Kokujin (although he is our poster boy), it has to do with furthering the empire through any means necessary. Niguen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/efff3dfb/attachment.html From jlesgold at enteract.com Fri Jun 22 22:27:02 2001 From: jlesgold at enteract.com (Jacob Lesgold) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... In-Reply-To: ; from bowman_rob@hotmail.com on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:42:10PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20010622212702.A77348@enteract.com> >From: "Brad Greenberg" > > The seeker of knowledge answers the question of "How?" > The seeker of wisdom answers the question of "How far?" Yes! This is what I was trying to say about the appeal of the Dragon Clan to me. Domo. Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet -- Jacob Lesgold jlesgold@enteract.com www.enteract.com/~jlesgold Lightfall "The beer had the kind of flavour which, he suspected, advertisers would describe as 'full-bodied', although if pressed they would have to admit that the body in question had been that of a goat" -- Neil Gaiman From frostylad at excite.com Fri Jun 22 20:53:54 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: Clan Direction Message-ID: <23612514.993264834231.JavaMail.imail@ringo.excite.com> On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:14:03 -0400, dragon@michonline.com wrote: > Is there a good place to read what our clan directives and aspirations are? > i.e. it sounds as if we are going to support Nezeru... Yes, when we decide to try to make decisions as a clan, this is a good place to do so. As for the winds, I won't declare any support until I know more about them. In the same way that I build my decks uncorrupted for the storyline, I will choose my wind according to who I feel would make the best successor, not who makes best use of the favor. -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From frostylad at excite.com Fri Jun 22 20:58:30 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <3018579.993265110628.JavaMail.imail@ringo.excite.com> > P.S: None of you Dragon moderators should get pissed off at this. We don't have any moderators on this list, as far as I know. Ryan Anderson runs it, but he's never moderated anything. > If it were the HDM list I'd understand, but it is the Dragon list and this is a Dragon movement. Actually, this is a shadowlands movement. If your post said we should run around the empire spreading tattoos and the worship of Yokuni, then it'd be a Dragon movement. -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From frostylad at excite.com Fri Jun 22 21:12:27 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <10360802.993265947253.JavaMail.imail@ringo.excite.com> > My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the letter > a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and > enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side > to this I certainly don't want to forget it. It's why the Phoenix fell in the Clan War: knowledge has a price. > > 2) Why choose to follow this path when you know the more "success" you > have > > the less self control you will have? > > Hey, I'm willing to pay that price for knowledge, my friend. My only problem is that the rest of the clan could be made to pay the price as well. If we knew that a little corruption would have little consequence (for example, like the rampant corruption of Toturi's Army since DJH, which had no effect on the story whatsoever), I'd play corrupt, sure. However, the mechanism is in place to punish corruption in the next arc (the dark thunder), and I'd never bring my clan down with me like that. > > I mean you are a Dragon now, but soon... > > Once a Dragon, always a Dragon. That's not true. Seth Mason left and joined the Lion. -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 23:14:29 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:16 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: Message-ID: <002501c0fb92$9e978120$88ef79a5@home> ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert-Jan Vaartjes To: dragon@michonline.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: RE: To All Dragons... Hell no. Unlike the Lion, we'd have COOL Oni. Oni with tattooes, and maybe a half-dragon big nasty oni. And you shouldn't be so angry. Probably bad for the heart or something. And where would you get these Oni? Will you put out an add? Hey, that's a damn good idea. "LOOKING FOR: Demon of Jigoku. Must be menacing and wanting to wreak havoc on Rokugan. No Fatties." Or just dress yourselves funny and yell: "We're Oni! Fear us!"? Not as good of an idea, I think. And about half-Dragon Oni... I wonder how you will get a Dragon to mate with an Oni? Give it some Spanish Fly and play Marvin Gaye. Seeing you couldn't get within 100' of a Dragon without being blow to smithereens... Can't you see that your so-called crusade is a futile one? It is doomed to fail and to lead you to your doom in Jigoku... Let us cleanse you of your taint and your stupidity and you'll live a good unlife in Jigoku. Wah, wah, wah, and I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky bakemono. And that damn Oni, too. Togashi Appei Dragon Clan Samurai * Tattooed Man Ps. We're not angry! Actually, you're really giving us a good laugh. So you're doing good, since laughing is healthy... Must be killin' ya, doesn't it? To know you're actually doing some good... Hey, glad to be of help. -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai *Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/087f16f2/attachment.html From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 23:15:25 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #136 References: Message-ID: <002f01c0fb92$bf984bc0$88ef79a5@home> This guy knows what he's talking about. -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai* Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 2:22 PM Subject: Re: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #136 > > > Hey, we're all Dragon here, kemosabe. I'm just on a different > path, > > >'s all. > > > > But two things get me with this movement, and I mean I just do not > > understand, not that you can't go there. > > > > 1) This is completely against what our Kami died for and his son > preaches. > > How do you reconcile being a Dragon and following this dark path? Isn't > > this like being a Chatholic prostitute? > > My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the letter > a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and > enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side > to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in > the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to > bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more complete > understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one wants > to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. > > ~Very well stated, truly understanding enlightenment also requires knowledge > of corruption and evil for dark and light are forever bound togther, to deny > understanding of one aspect of enilightenment is to deny all understanding. > > Honor and duty are for the samurai, enlightenemt has no concept of these > within it's pursuit, thus why monks forsake their names and families, to one > who pursues true enlightenment honor, duty, glory or even the clan are of no > concern. There is only the self and pursuit of wisdom anything else is a > distraction and a lie. This is Togashi's truth. > > > 2) Why choose to follow this path when you know the more "success" you > have > > the less self control you will have? > > Hey, I'm willing to pay that price for knowledge, my friend. If anyone else > is too, they're welcome to join me > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tainted_dragon). Plus we want power. Lots and > lots of power. > > You may also want to visi the following page: www.geocities.com/kokujinikora/ > > there is wisdom in all things, even within the shadows of darkness > > > > > I mean you are a Dragon now, but soon... > > Once a Dragon, always a Dragon. > > No... Not always a dragon, a samurai may assume the name of the dragon and > serve the clan with honor and glory but only true pursuit of enlightenment > makes one truly a dragon, there are many who believe they are a dragon, but > they have forgotten the dragon's way. Only if they forsake the constraints of > the samurai duty and the demands of the rokugan can they truly know what it > is to be dragon. > > Togashi Akagi - Bearer of the gaki tattoo > > "The dragon's way is that of enlightenment, I shall never leave it's path for > the lies and enticements of the mortal world." > From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 23:16:54 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: Message-ID: <003501c0fb92$f686cbc0$88ef79a5@home> Thank you for the clarification. My logic still applies, however, seeing as how you can't truly know how far unless you measure the entire distance, not just what's in your sphere of influence. You're a wise man. -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai *Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Greenberg To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Re: To All Dragons... > > Will Gaines posted. . . > > > >My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the > >letter > >a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and > >enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side > >to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in > >the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to > >bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more > >complete > >understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one > >wants > >to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. > > > > You are mistaken in your attribution, cousin. You refer here to Shiba, not > to Togashi. It is the children of the Phoenix, not the Dragon, who seek > knowledge to the exclusion of all else, who willingly clasp the darkness to > their hearts in return for the power it will grant them. We know better > than that. Or at least we should. > Our gift and our burden is Wisdom, not Knowledge. And it is exactly our > duty to seek only that understanding which lies within the bounds of > morality and ethics (i.e. religion, bushido, etc.). > > The seeker of knowledge answers the question of "How?" > The seeker of wisdom answers the question of "How far?" > > Clear skies, > > Brad Greenberg > Hitomi Caeldiin--Dragon Clan poet and seer, Mantis Clan advocate > rcephi@jps.net > > > Mirumoto Shokan-san--No, I haven't forgotten you, and I will be taking the > Oath very soon. I just need to round up a new brother first. =) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 23:17:53 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: Message-ID: <003901c0fb93$181ea640$88ef79a5@home> "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "Gee, I think so Brain, but where are we going to find that many one-legged eta?" ::shudders:: -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai* Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bowman To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: To All Dragons... > Greetings, > > >From: "Will Gaines" > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:06:31 -0500 > > >Plus we want power. Lots and > >lots of power. > > "Hey Brain, what are we going to do today... ?" > > =)!! > > Take care, > Rob- Mirumoto Shokan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Kyn1000 at aol.com Sat Jun 23 01:58:20 2001 From: Kyn1000 at aol.com (Kyn1000@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... Message-ID: <64.fa7b4e1.28657bec@aol.com> You mock all that Pinky and the Brain stand for! Brain is a benevolent, if zealous, megalomaniac (much like our Lady was {I kid!}) He, nor Pinky would stoop to such depths. I am prepared to defend their honor. "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so Brain, but how are we going to get the Phoenix to change their colors to plaid?" Kitsuki Kyn Dragon Clan Ghola * Experienced * Whipped * Student of the Kitten * Not funny "Being cute and cuddly doesn't make me any less of a man. > "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" > "Gee, I think so Brain, but where are we going to find that many one-legged > eta?" > ::shudders:: > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010623/c31306df/attachment.html From puck at holycow.com Fri Jun 22 23:19:52 2001 From: puck at holycow.com (Joe Fulgham) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... In-Reply-To: <003501c0fb92$f686cbc0$88ef79a5@home> Message-ID: > Thank you for the clarification. My logic still applies, however, > seeing as how you can't truly know how far unless you measure > the entire distance, not just what's in your sphere of > influence. You're a wise man. Everyone else who has "measured the entire distance" in the manner you speak of has fallen to the clutches of the Dark Lord, or sacrificed themselves fighting against him (Tadaka, The Damned, Ryozo) before that could happen. We have seen the distance and the price paid by those that went to measure it. It does not take a very wise man to realize that if the sun sets every day that it will set again the next day. Corruption leads to the loss of Self. Dragon is about the Self. The two are antitheses. Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ Tk IC++ U++ From magicmanwg at mindspring.com Sat Jun 23 02:16:24 2001 From: magicmanwg at mindspring.com (Will Gaines) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: Message-ID: <00ad01c0fbac$088bcbe0$88ef79a5@home> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Fulgham To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: RE: To All Dragons... > > Thank you for the clarification. My logic still applies, however, > > seeing as how you can't truly know how far unless you measure > > the entire distance, not just what's in your sphere of > > influence. You're a wise man. > > Everyone else who has "measured the entire distance" in the manner you > speak of has fallen to the clutches of the Dark Lord, or sacrificed > themselves fighting against him (Tadaka, The Damned, Ryozo) before that > could happen. We have seen the distance and the price paid by those that > went to measure it. > > It does not take a very wise man to realize that if the sun sets every day > that it will set again the next day. That's not very good logic, if you don't mind my saying. Just because it has happened doesn't mean it always will. Gotta watch out for those switchups, you know. > Corruption leads to the loss of Self. Dragon is about the Self. The two > are antitheses. The Dragon being about the Self is a bad thing. It's why we're so diverse. We can't unite behind one single banner, because everyone's waving around more individualistic banter then Ayn Rand on meth. We are simply here to understand and master, my friend. That's all. Remember, Mirumoto once said "Don't hate the player, hate the game." > Joe Fulgham | Hitomi Pukku | puck@holycow.com > Dragon Clan Shugenja * Master of the Web * Dragon in Black > Secret Master of L5R | http://www.holycow.com/l5r/ > L5R Code (2.1): DR++ S++ G++ Y+ P:M- O- EJ+ SJ+ I C++++ E++ M- T- D++ K H++ > Tk IC++ U++ > -Mirumoto Will Dragon Clan Samurai *Shadowlands Iron Chef Shadowlands "QUIT FIDDLING WITH MY DAISHO!" From rcephi at jps.net Sat Jun 23 00:30:09 2001 From: rcephi at jps.net (Brad Greenberg) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: Message-ID: <3B343771.721A1A62@jps.net> Potter1985@aol.com wrote: > You say that we are merely satire, you say that we cannot succeed. At this point yes, merely satire. What you choose to become is, of course, your own choice. > Well, I am > here to prove you wrong. I mock the HDM not because of their > incredible ego, > I mock them because of the lack of leniency between "corrupt" and > "honorable." That's right. And it's because there is no lenience between them. The Test of the Jade Champion should have taught us that, if nothing else. > Most people consider THREE shadowlands/kolat/ninja cards to be > corrupt, Indeed. And most people are WRONG. If employing the services of the ninja/kolat/oni is an evil act, then it is evil regardless of the numbers involved. We simply refuse to embrace the hypocrisy of the people who say, "Well, I know it's wrong, but let's see how close to the line I can get without being punished, since that's all I care about." We don't abjure corruption out of fear of getting smacked by the Powers that Be, but because it's the right thing to do. And I've never understood why the HDM Guidelines rub so many people the wrong way. It's not like we impose them on anyone, Dragon or not. Heck, I don't even think we actively recruit. What is it about our willingness to sacrifice that people find so threatening? > This movement has nothing to do with Kokujin > (although he is our poster boy), it has to do with furthering the > empire > through any means necessary. > Oh, please. None of you people has *ever* been able to offer one jot of proof that the Dragon would be better able to fulfill their duties corrupted than non-corrupted. It's not about the Empire. It's never been about the Empire. It's about the fact that you want to win more games. At least have the courage to admit it. Clear skies, Brad Greenberg Hitomi Caeldiin--Dragon Clan poet and seer, Mantis Clan advocate rcephi@jps.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/8b9f5045/attachment.html From BlinkFury at aol.com Sat Jun 23 03:48:20 2001 From: BlinkFury at aol.com (BlinkFury@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <79.1683697a.286595b4@aol.com> However there is clear proof that being tainted by shadow and shadowlands gives the empire greater glory. The proof lies in the clan our our eastern border. They are known as Phoenix. Who is more tainted than they? Who has gained more? Who has saved the Empire more than the Phoenix? We gave them a family and now it is time we receive the lesson they gave us. Power is victory. Power saves the empire. What have they lost? Some buildings, some scrolls, a few thousand people. That's nothing. consider the alternative. Either the corrupted win or the shadowlands crush us under foot. The only way to defear a monster is to become a monster. Our choice is clear. Our path is set. Follow or the purge could come again. And this time it won't be the Togashi's being routed from the slopes of Kyuden Hitomi, but those who lack the vision to see the truth. Remeber boys and girls Victory is a goddess who watches by the light of a full moon. Hitomi Anthony Dragon Clan Duelist Samurai Tattooed Keeper of the Dark Lady's Memory Member Clan Phaladon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010623/3f50cfbd/attachment.html From chron_d at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 08:01:29 2001 From: chron_d at hotmail.com (Chrondeath Dracion) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons Message-ID: >And about half-Dragon Oni... I wonder how you will get a >Dragon to mate with an Oni? Hey, didn't the Phoenix corrupt the Air Dragon last year? Maybe somebody should mention to the story team that giving us a half-Dragon Oni to club them with would be a great way of showing it.... This is just me, but I'm not interested in becoming tainted or swearing any oath. I generally dislike being controlled, manipulated, or restricted in any way. I was going to go through and give my comments on the oath line by line, but something seems to have happened to my mail and I can't find it anywhere (even though it was reposted a dozen or so times). Is there an archive for the Dragon mailing list? +--+ |\/| -Mirumoto Kharon |/\| chron_d@hotmail.com +--+ Telekinesis: It's the thought that counts. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 08:09:25 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: Greetings, >From: Potter1985@aol.com >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:14:15 EDT > >You say that we are merely satire, you say that we cannot succeed. Well, I >am >here to prove you wrong. Uhm... how? >I mock the HDM not because of their incredible ego, >I mock them because of the lack of leniency between "corrupt" and >"honorable." Most people consider THREE shadowlands/kolat/ninja cards to be >corrupt, yet you are completely anal about corruption. Big uhm.. aren't you just playing the other side of that coin. You say you >HAVE< to have corrupted cards in your deck, we say you don't. You are just being anal the other way, right? >Many good things have >come from corruption, there would be no Rokugan without corruption. There >would be no good w/o the evil. Look it is your movement, but it might help your movement get somewhere if the leaders actually demonstarted that they understand the basic difference between evil and corrupted. Good does need evil, but good does not need corrupted. For that nmatter evil does not need corrupted. And FYI, the Empire is on this side of The Wall and we do not need the Shadowlands (well maybe the Crab would be sad ;)). >This movement has nothing to do with Kokujin >(although he is our poster boy), it has to do with furthering the empire >through any means necessary. Again, one of you says it is for the Empire, another one of you says it is self serving, another says it is about knowledge. It is really about winning CCG games and nothing more to you guys. I persoanlly do not see a movement, but simply a play style with a parody as a theme. Take care, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 08:14:26 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons Message-ID: Greetings, >From: "Chrondeath Dracion" >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:01:29 -0000 > >>And about half-Dragon Oni... I wonder how you will get a >>Dragon to mate with an Oni? > >Hey, didn't the Phoenix corrupt the Air Dragon last year? Maybe somebody >should mention to the story team that giving us a half-Dragon Oni to club >them with would be a great way of showing it.... Uhm... Justin Walsh went to the trouble of getting to the GenCon UK finals, deliberatly tainting the Air Dragon again, then un-tainting the Dragon, all while winning the damn thing with the AEG story team present. >This is just me, but I'm not interested in becoming tainted or swearing any >oath. I generally dislike being controlled, manipulated, or restricted in >any way. Where is the fun in that ;). >I was going to go through and give my comments on the oath line by line, >but >something seems to have happened to my mail and I can't find it anywhere >(even though it was reposted a dozen or so times). Is there an archive for >the Dragon mailing list? I will send you a copy sometime this weekend. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From chron_d at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 08:36:32 2001 From: chron_d at hotmail.com (Chrondeath Dracion) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: To All Dragons Message-ID: Rob Bowman wrote: > >Greetings, > > >From: "Chrondeath Dracion" > >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:01:29 -0000 > > > >>And about half-Dragon Oni... I wonder how you will get a > >>Dragon to mate with an Oni? > > > >Hey, didn't the Phoenix corrupt the Air Dragon last year? Maybe somebody > >should mention to the story team that giving us a half-Dragon Oni to club > >them with would be a great way of showing it.... > >Uhm... Justin Walsh went to the trouble of getting to the GenCon UK finals, >deliberatly tainting the Air Dragon again, then un-tainting the Dragon, all >while winning the damn thing with the AEG story team present. Plenty of time for the Air Dragon to put the moves on some cute Oni between the US and UK GenCons... :) > >This is just me, but I'm not interested in becoming tainted or swearing >any > >oath. I generally dislike being controlled, manipulated, or restricted >in > >any way. > >Where is the fun in that ;). You're not paranoid enough. > >I was going to go through and give my comments on the oath line by line, > >but > >something seems to have happened to my mail and I can't find it anywhere > >(even though it was reposted a dozen or so times). Is there an archive >for > >the Dragon mailing list? > >I will send you a copy sometime this weekend. I was just going to wait until somebody else swore it, but if you could that'd be great. +--+ |\/| -Mirumoto Kharon |/\| chron_d@hotmail.com +--+ Telekinesis: It's the thought that counts. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From hidaokami at ureach.com Sat Jun 23 05:08:08 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #136 Message-ID: <200106230808.EAA01787@www21.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JonPaul4@aol.com (JonPaul4@aol.com) wrote: >truly understanding enlightenment also requires knowledge of corruption and evil for dark and light are forever bound togther, to deny understanding of one aspect of enilightenment is to deny all understanding. >There is only the self and pursuit of wisdom anything else is a distraction and a lie. This is Togashi's truth. >Plus we want power. Lots and lots of power. How can you claim to seek enlightenment and power at the same time? Don't give me any "enlightenment is power" dung, because the truly enlightened will tell you that power is an empty thing, a distraction from enlightenment. And to the disciple of Truth, there is no "self". Only in abandoning the Self can one embrace the Void, and only in so doing can enlightenment begin. Your destination is a sham - when you arrive there you will find that you have discraded what you truly need and carried everything else instead. Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 02:42:17 2001 From: hewhostalksdeth at yahoo.com (Togashi Tenryuu) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:17 2003 Subject: Other topics Message-ID: <20010623084217.98975.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Konbanwa, Hmm alot of negative energies between those who corrupt and those who rather not. How about we discuss other things like how we feel about the coming war with the Phoenix and Lion? And what have we done to upset the Lion, beside the usual Lions like to attack schtik? And does anyone have any rumours about Alpha? Like which Clan starters will be involved? And I keep seeing something about a Dark Thunder being mentioned on other message boards... any word on that? ===== Togashi Tenryuu Mirumoto Swordmaster -Yokuni Guard- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mazinman at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 05:10:09 2001 From: mazinman at yahoo.com (David Rodriguez) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: Other topics In-Reply-To: <20010623084217.98975.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010623111009.59290.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Togashi Tenryuu wrote: And what have we done to upset the Lion, beside the usual Lions like to attack schtik? S- One of my best friends is a Lion and we've been talking about this ever since it was announced and we are no closer to figuring something out. His opinion on the whole matter is that he would rather be helping the Crab fight the Crane. My assumption has always been that the Lion are trying to take a ally away from the Crane by become friends with the Phoenix. - Shujyo --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010623/ff27dfc6/attachment.html From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 23 16:04:03 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: The Four Winds (was :Re: Craziness) References: <4f.d55f6af.2862ea63@aol.com> <001b01c0fa5a$2c5459a0$a235a7ac@hppav> <00db01c0fa5e$00b4e9a0$6b01a8c0@cyberbase.ie> Message-ID: <008d01c0fbe5$01a44800$49fa38d5@wanadoo.fr> > Judging by the quote on Mirumoto Daisuke > "I owe Naseru my life. If he demands return on this debt, I will not > compromise the clan. I will ask Hoshi to accept my seppuku." > The clan is supporting either one wind who is not Naseru or none at all. Its > most likely we're supporting Sezaru, who trained with our shugenja (and Im > sure she left in pig-tails wearing jade) and also with the phoenix shugenja > (where she found that mask, a whole load of red clothes, that evil knife and > the "Hi Im Eviiiil" Hair doo no doubt) A) She's a He... ^_^ > Hitomi Hokosaki > Who has the horrible feeling that this time the female the dragon clan will > support mightened turn out alright in the end. > > >Just think of the fights when it comes time for the Dragon to support a > Wind. B) As I pledged my life to the Dragon, I must remain true to myself. My sword will be drawn for Toturi Tsudao should she ask for it. As Toturi's first legitimate child, hers is the most valid claim to the Jade Throne. Besides, her ideals of an untainted and unquestioned honor, together with the purity of the blade, remind me of my late Master's ideals. She whom now wears the Golden Obi of Ammaterasu is the one I will vouch for when the Winds try to gather our support. Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 23 16:08:25 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: <007e01c0fad6$8a9a7ea0$9cec79a5@home> Message-ID: <00a001c0fbe5$9688bc80$49fa38d5@wanadoo.fr> >Greetings, samurai(-ko), shugenja, and tattooed folk. I am Mirumoto Will, and I've got some information for you that you >might be interested in. > In those ancient walls, a message you carry. A message of corruption and despair. I respect you for you were my brother in clan, as He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named was my late Master's brother. But know that with every single breath I have, I will oppose you, and your ways, with my Honor, Duty and Sword. Before my Master I promised to keep his ideals true. Those are but mockeries. Honor and Duty shall prevail. For Honor, and Togashi's Blade... >-Mirumoto Will Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 23 16:10:35 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: <70.c08d810.2864c4f5@aol.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c0fbe5$e3dd7d40$49fa38d5@wanadoo.fr> > hey can we do anything about them? they must be stopped if the clan > becomes corrupt. We shall fight them by the only way that is acceptable, my brother. By keeping true to our ideals and playing as honorable and clean as possible. The taint shall be cleansed by Shinsei and Togashi's Purity. > mirumoto jon Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 23 16:14:04 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: Message-ID: <00cd01c0fbe6$654f0060$49fa38d5@wanadoo.fr> > You can't stop us. You can only hope to contain us. Years ago, I raised my sword with honor against your taint. Your corruption allowed you to rise again after my blade fell upon you. Your evil Master has kept you young, while my hair is now gray, and my youth long gone. Nonetheless, I will remain true to my master and oppose you again. Honor shall prevail ! > Gregory Osborn OOC PS : Hi Greg ! Nice to see you post again on this list, I hope you spent a better week than past ! Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr Sat Jun 23 16:16:16 2001 From: MirumotoShiryu at wanadoo.fr (Paul Jacoby) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: Message-ID: <00d801c0fbe6$b121b500$49fa38d5@wanadoo.fr> > You say that we are merely satire, you say that we cannot succeed. Well, I am > here to prove you wrong. I mock the HDM not because of their incredible ego, > I mock them because of the lack of leniency between "corrupt" and > "honorable." Most people consider THREE shadowlands/kolat/ninja cards to be > corrupt, yet you are completely anal about corruption. Because the "rule of three" was only accepted by the Story team for Morigake. Now, a single CGM in your deck can turn it into a corrupt deck in The Story's eyes. ESPECIALLY with the dark thunder rumors. >Many good things have > come from corruption, there would be no Rokugan without corruption. There > would be no good w/o the evil. This movement has nothing to do with Kokujin > (although he is our poster boy), it has to do with furthering the empire > through any means necessary. An Empire where the taint runs rampant is not an Empire I want to further. Better die an Honorable death that to succomb to the taint's seduction and live. > Niguen Paul "Mirumoto Shiryu" Yokuni's Yojimbo --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From baz at thedragonclan.com Sat Jun 23 15:31:24 2001 From: baz at thedragonclan.com (Hitomi Hokosaki) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: Other topics References: <20010623084217.98975.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008101c0fbe8$ccfea9c0$7801a8c0@cyberbase.ie> > And what have we done > to upset the Lion, beside the usual Lions like to > attack schtik? Im most likely going to forget some of this some where, cos Im a bit hazy on it all. But it all starts much like world war 1 with a long string of treaties and agreements. The dragon of fire hits our home making the mirumoto and kitsuki lands untillable. So for food, to live were forced to move down to the unoccupied lands near phoenix territory. These are lands tended by phoenix monks but still unaligned. The phoenix get all upity about it and diplomacy is forced. Mean while the yasuki daimyo has died and the nearest relative to inherit turns out to be a crane, so the crane decide their going to take the yasuki lands. Alternatively theres a story that the emporer took the yasuki land from the crane and gave it to the crab "untill the sea swallows the land" or some such. Something that had happened to nearby daidoji lands, cunning kumo. Either way the crane occupy the land. The crab get pissed off and war eventually ensues. The crane (being big girls blouses :P ) call on their phoenix allies who decide yeah lets stomp on the crab. Insert some scorpion dealings here. The phoenix and dragon go to war. The phoenix call in _their_ allies of the lion, who are always ready for a good fight and now that the phoenix no longer are offering protection to the tonbo(dragonfly) the lion can get to settle their ancient grudge against that minor clan. So thats crane and phoenix and lion, rather than lion and crane if you get me. And in the left corner (fighting for all the is right and peachy) crab, dragon and kinda the scorpion (who are having free reign practically in the courts) all of us on our own if you see my meaning. The unicorn seem to be sitting around so far. Most likely theyll take the fight to the lion and back up our side. The conflict gets more complicated when you remember beiden pass was destroyed by the phoenix during the spirit wars. So theres a big unpassable barrier in the middle of the empire. Practially cutting crane lands in half. Im sure there are ways through but not enough for armies if you get me. So thats half the crane, the crab and the scorpion on one side. The phoenix, unicorn, other half of the crane, lion and us on the other. All loads of fun. It does mean that if (when?) the crab wall falls, theres another barrier before the shadowlands even gets close to our mountains. Hopefully it wont happen but the crab are having to fight the crane rather than defend the wall! All in all a well thought out (im sure ive made mistakes) set of conflicts for gold edition. Well done those designers. Hitomi Hokosaki www.dragonstrategy.net From hidaokami at ureach.com Sat Jun 23 12:48:38 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: The Four Winds (was :Re: Craziness) Message-ID: <200106231548.LAA05320@www23.ureach.com> ---- On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Paul Jacoby (MirumotoShiryu@wanadoo.fr) wrote: >As Toturi's first legitimate child, hers is the most valid claim to the Jade Throne. Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work like that in a samurai society. "Legitimacy" has little to do with anything in succession. If Toturi has recognized his bastard son, then his claim is just as valid. And what of the Anvil? Do we forget that Naseru was adopted by a Hantei Emperor (and that's exactly what he did)? Whether or not you supported the Iron Chrysanthemum, for whatever reason, Naseru is a Hantei with a mandate from the Son of Heaven, *and* one of Toturi's offspring as well. No other has a stronger claim. Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Charter Member of the Hantei Restoration Society HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag From JonPaul4 at aol.com Sat Jun 23 18:06:46 2001 From: JonPaul4 at aol.com (JonPaul4@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #139 Message-ID: <104.522c52c.28665ee6@aol.com> My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the letter a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more complete understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one wants to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. You are mistaken in your attribution, cousin. You refer here to Shiba, not to Togashi. It is the children of the Phoenix, not the Dragon, who seek knowledge to the exclusion of all else, who willingly clasp the darkness to their hearts in return for the power it will grant them. We know better than that. Or at least we should. <<< Our gift and our burden is Wisdom, not Knowledge. And it is exactly our duty to seek only that understanding which lies within the bounds of morality and ethics (i.e. religion, bushido, etc.). < < The seeker of knowledge answers the question of "How?" << The seeker of wisdom answers the question of "How far?" ~The seeker of knowledge asks/answers both how?, and how far? both are concerns only of this world... The bearer of wisdom does not, ask nor answer, they are aware of what is. Wisdom does not entail understandings of the letter of rule or the governing laws of the mortal realm. It is the acceptance of fate, and of a greater celestial order. Such things will never be understood by mortal men, but for those that seek wisdom do not question or ask of it's nature, for the bearer of wisdom is at one within it. This is the lifeblood and wisdom of Togashi's and Shinsei's spirit. Neither Togashi nor Shinsei adhered to religion or bushido, they cast them aside. For they were bearers of true wisdom. The religion of the fortunes is an invention of the Isawa, and bushido a code invented by the Akodo. Togashi and shinsei had no use for these for they are mortal lies that lead away from the path of wisdom. One seeks to embrace knowledge for it is something that they are without. One does not seek wisdom, they are born of it and while it is often ignored or forgotten, wisdom is inseparable from being. Wisdom is found not in the world but within. This is why Togashi spirit retreated to his mountain and remained there since the dawn of the Rokugan, one must exclude the world's influence for wisdom to remain true. >~Very well stated, truly understanding enlightenment also requires >knowledge >of corruption and evil for dark and light are forever bound together, to >deny >understanding of one aspect of enlightenment is to deny all understanding. Uhm... there is a big difference between evil and corrupted (Iyoku-san explains this better than I, heck he explained it to me). Evil is where you determine to do somthing against a certain moral code. You could easily be a Dragon and be Evil. Heck think of Ambush and Poisoned Weapon. ~That is of mortal conception, bushido is of mortal conception, good and evil are of mortal conception, purity is of mortal conception. Bearers of true wisdom cast aside such things, and have no use for the trappings of good an evil, but fully embrace the celestial balance which includes both order and corruption. It is the yin yang, you cannot separate the two and even with the strongest or "purest" point of the yin lies elements of the yang and vice versa. Likewise in the human heart good and evil are inseparable, while one may choose to act only of good (purity) or evil both still remain in the heart. Only the foolish believe that they can erase an element of balance from their being. The true dragon embraces both the good and evil of their soul, and cast aside the mortal confines, for their concerns are not guided by the mortal world. <Once a Dragon, always a Dragon. > >No... Not always a dragon, a samurai may assume the name of the dragon and >serve the clan with honor and glory but only true pursuit of enlightenment >makes one truly a dragon, there are many who believe they are a dragon, but >they have forgotten the dragon's way. Only if they forsake the constraints >of >the samurai duty and the demands of the rokugan can they truly know what it >is to be dragon. Uhm, I am afraid I missed strict requirement in WotD. Maybe you coiuld give me a page number ;)? Ise zumi, and the three deaths. The ise Zumi are the bearers of wisdom and the heirs of togashi's wisdom. The mirumoto are the samurai servants seekers of bushido duty and honor, but they are not the true spirit of the dragon. The agasha and kitsuki are the servants of the dragon and seekers of worldly knowledge, but they are not the true spirit of the dragon. The true spirit of the dragon embraces only the greater wisdom and has no concern for the enticements of the world. You are samurai, so I cannot fault you for seeking through worldly eyes, but if you wish to truly embrace wisdom I implore you to cast aside the world and turn your eyes within. The path of the true dragon and of Togashi is that of the ise zumi. The dragon is not a seeker, it is a bearer of wisdom and embraces true balance. The dragon is a being of both darkness and light, for they are one. Thus is the riddle of the dragon. Togashi Akagi ~ bearer of the gaki tattoo From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 22:35:34 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #139 Message-ID: Greetings, >From: JonPaul4@aol.com >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:06:46 EDT > >This is the lifeblood and wisdom of Togashi's >and Shinsei's spirit. > >Neither Togashi nor Shinsei adhered to religion or bushido, they cast them >aside. For they were bearers of true wisdom. Uhm.. and didn't these bearer's of true wisdom both give their lives to stop corruption? I could quote more of your passage, and ridicule your illogical train of thought, but your inability to reply to simple requests, and you ramblings make it not worth my time. Hope you get a clue and buy a few AEG L5R >official< Way of books so you don't look so fooloish in the future. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From JonPaul4 at aol.com Sat Jun 23 20:15:39 2001 From: JonPaul4 at aol.com (JonPaul4@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #139 Message-ID: <99.16b52096.28667d1b@aol.com> >truly understanding enlightenment also requires knowledge of corruption and evil for dark and light are forever bound togther, to deny understanding of one aspect of enilightenment is to deny all understanding. >There is only the self and pursuit of wisdom anything else is a distraction and a lie. This is Togashi's truth. >Plus we want power. Lots and lots of power. << << > Thank you for the clarification. My logic still applies, however, > seeing as how you can't truly know how far unless you measure > the entire distance, not just what's in your sphere of > influence. You're a wise man. <<< Everyone else who has "measured the entire distance" in the manner you speak of has fallen to the clutches of the Dark Lord, or sacrificed themselves fighting against him (Tadaka, The Damned, Ryozo) before that could happen. We have seen the distance and the price paid by those that went to measure it. ~That is because they sought knowledge, and power from the darkness, not enlightenment. They willingly (for the most part) took on the task and journey knowing that they would receive benefit for their sacrifice. Enlightenment however is not a matter of distance, or seeking, it is already within. When one allows the world to encroach upon the mind, this truth is forgotten, this is why Togashi hid this is why he removed himself from the dealings of the empire, had he chosen otherwise it would have denied him his grasp on enlightenment. Togashi nearly destroyed himself for this understanding, he has shared his secret to those that would understand. Why do you seek to deny his truth, and allow the mortal world to lead the dragon astray? << > > It does not take a very wise man to realize that if the sun sets every > day > > that it will set again the next day. > > That's not very good logic, if you don't mind my saying. You can say it. You can be wrong, but noone's going to stop you from saying it. > > Corruption leads to the loss of Self. Dragon is about the Self. The > two > > are antitheses. > > The Dragon being about the Self is a bad thing. It's why we're so diverse. The diversity of the Dragon is why you can claim to still be a Dragon, yet be corrupt: that Dragon is about the individual path. If you eliminate the diversity, you'd be the first one thrown out of the clan. > Remember, Mirumoto once said > "Don't hate the player, hate the game." Actually, Mirumoto had 2 weapons. The guy who said that had none. -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Sun Jun 24 00:06:56 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: [HDM] Re: tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <106.1ac1ec3.2866b350@aol.com> hey i meant i HATE corrupt dragon i will stop them on your side. i will never become corrupt i HATE ONI AND ANY SHADOWLANDS. the TDM will be swiftly crushed. mirumoto jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010623/0e17dfcf/attachment.html From frostylad at excite.com Sat Jun 23 21:11:58 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: The Four Winds (was :Re: Craziness) Message-ID: <25091946.993352318547.JavaMail.imail@ringo.excite.com> > >As Toturi's first legitimate child, hers is the most valid > claim to the Jade Throne. > > Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work like that in a samurai > society. "Legitimacy" has little to do with anything in > succession. If Toturi has recognized his bastard son, then his > claim is just as valid. But you deleted that part that said her ideals are her appeal. The bastard is a dirty ronin, Akodo name or no. > And what of the Anvil? Do we forget that Naseru was adopted by > a Hantei Emperor (and that's exactly what he did)? Whether or > not you supported the Iron Chrysanthemum, for whatever reason, > Naseru is a Hantei with a mandate from the Son of Heaven, *and* > one of Toturi's offspring as well. No other has a stronger > claim. On the other hand, he's a fairy politician. I don't know many specifics about the different winds, but I already know that no limp-wristed Crane-boy will get my support. At this point, The Sword has the most appeal to me because of what I know of her character. -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Sun Jun 24 00:14:49 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:18 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: In a message dated 6/23/01 7:04:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time, owner-hdm-digest@darkedge.com writes: > > You say that we are merely satire, you say that we cannot succeed. Well, I > am > here to prove you wrong. I mock the HDM not because of their incredible > ego, > I mock them because of the lack of leniency between "corrupt" and > "honorable." Most people consider THREE shadowlands/kolat/ninja cards to be > corrupt, yet you are completely anal about corruption. Many good things > have > come from corruption, there would be no Rokugan without corruption. There > would be no good w/o the evil. This movement has nothing to do with Kokujin > (although he is our poster boy), it has to do with furthering the empire > through any means necessary. > > > WE WILL CRUSH ALL CORRUPTION WITH STEEL AND JADE. WE CAN STOP YOU TDM AND WE WILL!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Zelphan Dragon Clan Addict From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Sun Jun 24 00:17:28 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] Re: HDM Digest V2001 #17 Message-ID: <10d.1c30241.2866b5c8@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/01 7:04:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time, owner-hdm-digest@darkedge.com writes: > Who has saved the Empire more than the Phoenix? SCREW THE FIRE CHICKENS!! DAMMIT I HATE THEM. MIRUMOTO JON -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010623/35d8f882/attachment.html From MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com Sun Jun 24 00:26:54 2001 From: MIRUMOTODUDE at aol.com (MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: to all dragons Message-ID: > And about half-Dragon Oni... I wonder how you will get a > >>Dragon to mate with an Oni? > why the hell whould want to see that besides theres no tall boys in > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010623/33e5173a/attachment.html From mkd8 at cornell.edu Sun Jun 24 00:28:11 2001 From: mkd8 at cornell.edu (Matt Dalen) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL In-Reply-To: <007601c0fc5b$e36a6c80$0600a8c0@zelphan> References: Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.2.20010623232719.00bcd048@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> At least at Cornell, they use 101 as an introductory college level class, increasing up to the 700s for grad level classes At 11:15 PM 23-06-01 -0400, you wrote: > > If your intent was not to offend, then you should really work on your > > communication skills. As Sutero-san so wisely pointed out Diplomacy 101 >for > > the last part. > >Wouldn't that be 1001? 101 would indicate a High School or Secondary School >class.. with 1001 indicating a College.. or University.. anyways thats my >pointless 2 cents . > >Zelphan >Dragon Clan Addict Tamori Shosei Dragon Clan Alchemist * Tattooed * Inexperienced From frostylad at excite.com Sat Jun 23 21:39:01 2001 From: frostylad at excite.com (Jeff T.) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: Other topics Message-ID: <27095145.993353941209.JavaMail.imail@ringo.excite.com> > How do we feel about the coming > war with the Phoenix and Lion? Honestly, I think the Phoneix will be more at war with themselves than with us. This war is Hochiu's will, not Tsukune's, but the council has more power than the daimyo. I think that Hochiu will succumb the way his father did (as a nod to all those corrupt Phoenix players out there), the dark thunder will kill Taeruko to become the Master of Earth, and Nakamuro will be revealed a tsukai, giving the forces of evil a majority on the council. This will trigger Ningen to leave his post and fight alongside his sister (with his family), dividing the Phoenix between Isawa and Asako (corrupt) versus Agasha and Shiba (pure). Then we will have only the Lion to deal with. As Mirumoto said, "when an enemy charges, let him go by." I see us tricking the Lion into overextending themselves into the mountains, the enclosing them from behind. > does anyone have any rumours about > Alpha? Like which Clan starters will be involved? Word on the street is that we get a new box on the first expansion. Don't know if it's true or not, though. > And I keep seeing something about a Dark Thunder being > mentioned on other message boards... any word on that? Apparently, someone in the shadowlands *cough*Junzo*cough* is using the blood of the thunders to create dark thunders to fight for the forces of evil. If a clan consistently plays corrupt, then the dark thunder will rise in power within the clan. Personally, I'm really hoping for an experienced version of the False Hoturi as the Crane dark thunder. ;) -Hitomi Jeftuq Dragon Clan Naga "We will not aid you. You have to prove yourself worthy before you can ask for the favors our father once claimed." -Moto Tsume "Then get out of my way." -Hitomi _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From Potter1985 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 01:32:51 2001 From: Potter1985 at aol.com (Potter1985@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: PREACH ON MY BROTHER!!!!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hoshi's pitiful monks are no comparison to our enlightened madness. Come with us into the shadows and learn our secrets. Don't be afraid. And we will disappear long before you wake and though you wake from nightmares beautiful and tormenting, you will know that we are just beyond your sight. We are here. Remember Victory is a goddess who watches by the light of the full moon Hitomi Anthony Dragon Clan Duelist Samurai Tattooed Keeper of the Dark Lady's Memory Clan Phalladon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010624/63366e89/attachment.html From hidaokami at ureach.com Sun Jun 24 01:24:59 2001 From: hidaokami at ureach.com (Shaun Scott) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: <200106240424.AAA07681@www23.ureach.com> ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Zelphan (zelphan@innet.com) wrote: >Wouldn't that be 1001? 101 would indicate a High School or Secondary School class.. with 1001 indicating a College.. or University.. Not in the US, it doesn't. :) "101" would refer to an introductory college level (freshman) course. Thus its use to refer to the "basics". "1001" for a college course here in the US would mean it was a course intended for the tenth year of study. If there is such a thing, it would be post-Doctoral... Regards, Shaun Scott aka Hida Okami Crab Clan Orator * Dragon Clan Liaison Father of the Breakfast Technique HidaOkami@ureach.com "Attack my honor, samurai, and you will find that my words are a weapon as sharp as my katana - and just as deadly..." From MechWar13 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 01:24:14 2001 From: MechWar13 at aol.com (MechWar13@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath...LOL Message-ID: In a message dated 6/23/01 11:29:19 PM, mkd8@cornell.edu writes: << At least at Cornell, they use 101 as an introductory college level class, increasing up to the 700s for grad level classes It's similar at FSU that a 100 lexel class is introductory and up. So far I've only taken 300-400 level classes with a B average. And UF thought I wasn't good enough. K. Kiker A.K.A. Mirumoto Hanzo Dragon Clan Sophmore* Seminole* Samurai Scorpion Clan Assassin "He is an odd one. owing fealty to two clans. He wears a kimono in the colors of the Scorpion Clan that trained him, but it is trimmed in the gold of the Dragon clan to which he was born." At 11:15 PM 23-06-01 -0400, you wrote: > > If your intent was not to offend, then you should really work on your > > communication skills. As Sutero-san so wisely pointed out Diplomacy 101 >for > > the last part. > >Wouldn't that be 1001? 101 would indicate a High School or Secondary School >class.. with 1001 indicating a College.. or University.. anyways thats my >pointless 2 cents . >> From Dragncln1 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 03:10:49 2001 From: Dragncln1 at aol.com (Dragncln1@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <60.101f77d5.2866de69@aol.com> In a message dated 6/23/2001 11:31:26 PM Central Daylight Time, BlinkFury@aol.com writes: > From Darkness come strength, > "From darkness comes sore shins from bumping into immovable object." Excerpt from: "Favorite Quotes of Togashi Sutero" Togashi Sutero The Unknown Samurai Exp.2 Dragon Clan Samurai Masked Dahar Master Tactician Will join Lion or Monk for 2 less "What We do in Life...Echoes in Eternity..... Strength and Honor!" story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010624/0061e231/attachment.html From Potter1985 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 03:15:13 2001 From: Potter1985 at aol.com (Potter1985@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: He does have a point here, I myself, even in my tainted wisdom, have bumped into many hard objects and have many sores on my battle scarred shins. Niguen > "From darkness comes sore shins from bumping into immovable object." > > Excerpt from: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010624/9e9c0bbc/attachment.html From Kyn1000 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 03:20:46 2001 From: Kyn1000 at aol.com (Kyn1000@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: Testing Message-ID: <103.5221a55.2866e0be@aol.com> Um, testing to see if this gets through. Disregard =) K. Kyn -Ghola and all that other shiz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010624/078ba796/attachment.html From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 08:10:10 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: Greetings, Now we get Boogie Men stories and monsters under our bed. Your movement is a hoot :)!! Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan PS You guys REALLY need to do a lttle more research into your storyline motivation. >From: BlinkFury@aol.com >Reply-To: hdm@thedragonclan.com >To: hdm@thedragonclan.com >Subject: Re: [HDM] tainted dragon movement >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:30:53 EDT > >From the darkness of night's abyss we come and cannot be stopped. We slip >our fingertips between the cracks and clamber up the steep slopes of the >mountains. We are here. We bring our assassins, the wise advise of the >Kolat's Ten Masters, the strength of onis and the darkest magics that you >pray were lost to time. We are here slipping into your windows and >whispering our tales of power and true enlightenment into your dreams. >Cloaked in shadow we are invisible. We have studied at the feet of the >Dark >Lady of the Mountains and learned her wisdom. From Darkness come strength, >from Darkness comes invisibility, from Darkness comes allies. We are the >Dragon and these Mountains are ours. Hoshi's pitiful monks are no >comparison to our enlightened madness. Come with us into the shadows and >learn our secrets. Don't be afraid. And we will disappear long before you >wake and though you wake from nightmares beautiful and tormenting, you will >know that we are just beyond your sight. We are here. > >Remember Victory is a goddess who watches by the light of the full moon > >Hitomi Anthony >Dragon Clan Duelist Samurai Tattooed >Keeper of the Dark Lady's Memory >Clan Phalladon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 08:01:33 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] Re: HDM Digest V2001 #17 Message-ID: Greetings, >From: MIRUMOTODUDE@aol.com >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:17:28 EDT > >In a message dated 6/23/01 7:04:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >owner-hdm-digest@darkedge.com writes: > > > > Who has saved the Empire more than the Phoenix? Uhm... don't know how I missed this the first time thru? But I would venture the Crabs have saved the Empire just a few more times. Now while they have a special understanding of corruption (like the Damned), they spend their life fighting corruption so we can have the peace and time up North here, to listen to wayward philosophers :/. And to answer the implied question here, I and most here have no interest being anything like our short-sighted cousins the Phoenix. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From rcephi at jps.net Sun Jun 24 01:49:28 2001 From: rcephi at jps.net (Brad Greenberg) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: Message-ID: <3B359B87.BE986AA3@jps.net> Rob Bowman wrote: > Greetings, > Most honored brother, > > Now we get Boogie Men stories and monsters under our bed. Your movement is > a hoot :)!! > He isn't exactly the most effective spokesman for the cause, is he? =) > > Take care, > Rob- Mirumoto Shokan > PS You guys REALLY need to do a lttle more research into your storyline > motivation. But that's just the thing--the people who espouse opening the doors of the High House of Light to corruption have never had a storyline motivation. Sure, they talk about the necessity of dark knowledge and the allure of the Taint, but it's never really about that. They want to win more games in order to make the Clan stronger. They want to win more games in order to protect the Empire. They want to win more games. Storyline considerations are, and always have been, secondary. Actually, the question which should be asked (and I can't believe I haven't thought of it before) is this. Unfortunately, there's no way that anyone will ever answer it honestly. =( To all members of the TDM, I ask this: If you knew, with certainty, that membership and participation in the TDM would result in FEWER, not more, game wins for you, would you still be a part of it? Until you can answer yes *and mean it*, you will never be more than satire, and you will NEVER eclipse the HDM. Clear skies, Brad Greenberg rcephi@jps.net > > > >From: BlinkFury@aol.com > >Reply-To: hdm@thedragonclan.com > >To: hdm@thedragonclan.com > >Subject: Re: [HDM] tainted dragon movement > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:30:53 EDT > > > >From the darkness of night's abyss we come and cannot be stopped. We slip > >our fingertips between the cracks and clamber up the steep slopes of the > >mountains. We are here. We bring our assassins, the wise advise of the > >Kolat's Ten Masters, the strength of onis and the darkest magics that you > >pray were lost to time. We are here slipping into your windows and > >whispering our tales of power and true enlightenment into your dreams. > >Cloaked in shadow we are invisible. We have studied at the feet of the > >Dark > >Lady of the Mountains and learned her wisdom. From Darkness come strength, > >from Darkness comes invisibility, from Darkness comes allies. We are the > >Dragon and these Mountains are ours. Hoshi's pitiful monks are no > >comparison to our enlightened madness. Come with us into the shadows and > >learn our secrets. Don't be afraid. And we will disappear long before you > >wake and though you wake from nightmares beautiful and tormenting, you will > >know that we are just beyond your sight. We are here. > > > >Remember Victory is a goddess who watches by the light of the full moon > > > >Hitomi Anthony > >Dragon Clan Duelist Samurai Tattooed > >Keeper of the Dark Lady's Memory > >Clan Phalladon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --- > To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. --- To unsubscribe, send a message to "majordomo@thedragonclan.com" and put "unsubscribe hdm (or hdm-digest)" in the body of the message. From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 08:52:26 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:19 2003 Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) Message-ID: Greetings, I am late here, but just wanted to say "Hi!" Take care, Rob >From: Jacob Lesgold >Reply-To: dragon@michonline.com >To: dragon@michonline.com >Subject: Gold Edition (new Dragon player) >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:19:15 -0500 > >Hi. I'm a longtime Naga player who plans on playing Dragon in Gold. This >is mostly because the Dragon are the clan I like best, and has >little to do with any expectation of building similar sorts of decks. In >fact, I have to say I've grown tired of blitz military, which I've found to >be the most successful Naga Archetype. I've always appreciated the Dragon >mystery, and also the devotion to the overall good of the Empire. I've >seen the Dragon mission as making sure that what needs done is done, >whether by someone else (often preferable), or if necessary by the Dragon >themselves. What others see as "fence sitting", I see as avoiding the >minor details while keeping an eye on, and (only when necessary) taking >care of, the big picture. Also, Dragon is the clan of the Pale Eye...er, >Moon. > >Anyway, while I'm not ready for one of those Oath things yet (as I only >intend to play Dragon in formats where Naga isn't legal), I am planning to >play Dragon at GenCon and generally in Gold. To which end, I was looking >for suggestions of deck types that are likely to work in Strict Gold >40/40 for Dragon. I'm not particular about being HDM, but I am disinclined >towards using Shadowlands cards. Also, if I'm going to be doing something >different, it might as well be genuinely different: I don't want to play >speed military. So, anyone have some good ideas to help me get used to the >new card base? > >Togashi Agama * Soul of Ashtalet >-- >Jacob Lesgold jlesgold@enteract.com www.enteract.com/~jlesgold Lightfall >"If you hurt her, I will beat you to death with a shovel. [...] >A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend. Have fun!" -- Willow Rosenberg, >_Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_, "The Initiative" > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From rcephi at jps.net Sun Jun 24 02:10:25 2001 From: rcephi at jps.net (Brad Greenberg) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:20 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement References: <79.1683697a.286595b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B35A071.C19B8D2@jps.net> BlinkFury@aol.com wrote: > However there is clear proof that being tainted by shadow and > shadowlands > gives the empire greater glory. Glory may be won despite the Taint, but corruption has never led anyone to glory. > The proof lies in the clan our our eastern > border. They are known as Phoenix. Who is more tainted than they? Who has paid a higher price than they? > Who has > gained more? Watch as the Sun rises in brilliance above the horizon and answer me that question. Watch as the light of the Moon turns the night from a realm of terror to a realm of beaty and answer me that question. > Who has saved the Empire more than the Phoenix? The Crab. > We gave them a > family and now it is time we receive the lesson they gave us. We gave them the things we no longer needed. > Power is > victory. Power saves the empire. Power is nothing. Fu Leng had power, and he was utterly defeated by a handful of the mortals he despised. The Kami had power, but they are gone, and only we remain. And what of the mighty Onnotangu, whose hands helped shape the world? For all his boundless power, he was cast from the heavens into ruin by Our Lady and Takao. > What have they lost? Some buildings, some > scrolls, a few thousand people. That's nothing. > They have lost their way. > > consider the alternative. Either the corrupted win or the shadowlands > crush > us under foot. The only way to defear a monster is to become a > monster. That is what the monsters would have you believe. Clear skies, Brad Greenberg Hitomi Caeldiin--Dragon Clan poet and seer, Mantis Clan advocate rcephi@jps.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(which is the 6th ring) << I could quote more of your passage, and ridicule your illogical train of thought, but your inability to reply to simple requests, and you ramblings make it not worth my time. Hope you get a clue and buy a few AEG L5R >official< Way of books so you don't look so fooloish in the future. Oh so sorry, I must have cheap knock off imported "AEB" l5r way of books.. so sorry. Take a moment to reread the bearers of jade and book of the shadowlands, namely the sections that discuss corruption - the sixth ring. And if that's not enough pick up way of the shadowlands for second edition, read over kokujin's story and you will note that the dark lord's taint and corruption are two seperate entities, though they often appear the same. It is possible for one to master the element of corruption, without succuming to the taint of the dark one. Everything that I have written extends from offical l5r rpg material, perhaps you see things differantly than I. I am ise zumi, a soul consumed by the vision of enlightenment. Are we ise zumi not known as ones that defy all logic and understanding? To those who understand the afflictions of enlightenment my words are clear, to others they are but inane ramblings. Within their lifetime all men are made sages, and all men are made fools. Togashi Akagi From bowman_rob at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 19:42:55 2001 From: bowman_rob at hotmail.com (Rob Bowman) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:20 2003 Subject: dragon-digest Digest V2001 #140 Message-ID: Greetings, >From: JonPaul4@aol.com >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 04:29:10 EDT > ><< >This is the lifeblood and wisdom of Togashi's > >and Shinsei's spirit. > > > >Neither Togashi nor Shinsei adhered to religion or bushido, they cast >them > >aside. For they were bearers of true wisdom. > ><<< Uhm.. and didn't these bearer's of true wisdom both give their lives to >stop > corruption? > >They stood against fu leng to preserve mortal life, and if I am not >mistaken >neither actually gave their life, both shinsei and togashi survived their >confrontations with the dark lord, so when did they give their lives? Togashi did. Shinsei is MIA. >Yes, >They stood against the spread of Fu leng's taint, but there is a world of >differance between fu leng's taint of the body/soul and the true element of >corruption. (which is the 6th ring) Okay, so we are clear Togashi stood against all Taint. No passage anywhere I have ever seen will show he supported it. Page # to refute? Shinsei was the wisest mortal ever and he never supported it either. Again, page # to refute? Also when you talk about Shinsei and the Monks, you should know one thing about who helped inspire the creation of them at AEG with John Z, John W and Dave W? Me. You might tread carefully with this example and me, know what I mean;). Please do not use these guys as examples for joining TDM, you guys look clueless imho. ><< I could quote more of your passage, and ridicule your illogical train of > thought, but your inability to reply to simple requests, and you >ramblings > make it not worth my time. Hope you get a clue and buy a few AEG L5R > >official< Way of books so you don't look so fooloish in the future. > >Oh so sorry, I must have cheap knock off imported "AEB" l5r way of >books.. >so >sorry. Take a moment to reread the bearers of jade and book of the >shadowlands, namely the sections that discuss corruption - the sixth >ring. >And if that's not enough pick up way of the shadowlands for second edition, >read over kokujin's story and you will note that the dark lord's taint and >corruption are two seperate entities, though they often appear the same. I asked you to quote where in WotD. You keep trying to migrate Shadowlands text into WotD. That does not work, and that is my point. Kokujin has a great story and if you like the sixth ring, great too. Those are Shadowlands issues, not ours. Kokujin was throw off Dragon Mt by Togashi himself. Hitomi brought him back for one specific purpose only, and then he left voluntarily for Kami's sake ;). He is not our Clan, and the Sixth Ring, and Corruption are certainly not. The point is the Dragon Clan have never supported this stuff, and your attempts at marrying the Sixth Ring with Togashi and Shinsei are illogical and ludicrious. Now if you want to marry the Sixth Ring and Kokujin go for it. You can be the prophet of the new way for all I care. It still is not a Dragon Clan issue until you take Iron MT from my, my brethern, and Hoshi-sama's dead bodies, but at least you will have a better storyline theme backing your play style. Take care, Rob- Mirumoto Shokan PS Oh and I love this disclaimer, basically true to all those who think it is. Very bold prediction ;). >To those who understand the afflictions of >enlightenment my words are clear, to others they are but inane ramblings. This one is much better... . >Within their lifetime all men are made sages, and all men are made fools. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From chron_d at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 22:16:44 2001 From: chron_d at hotmail.com (Chrondeath Dracion) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:20 2003 Subject: A Dragon's Oath Message-ID: Ok, well, I don't know that I'm anybody to be listened to, but here's my thoughts on >A DRAGON'S OATH > > > We are Dragon. Not much to say. > We stand with all who set purity and honor above the needs of the >moment or the day. Hmm..."No poisoned weapons or ambushes" is what I'm reading here.... >We stand against any who would >corrupt the Dragon Clan or the Empire in return for power, or to serve >expedience. This is fine. > We are Dragon. Hard to argue with this. > We seek knowledge, Ok. >honor, Hmm....ok. >wisdom, Sure. >and justice This I have a problem with. If by some chance I get the opportunity to club a few Phoenix, I'm not holding any illusions that I'm doing it because it's right, just, or necessary....I'm going to be crushing their faces into the ground because I'm ticked off at them. This land thing is just an excuse for the real grudge, as far as I'm concerned. >whether wielding the pen and scroll during peace or the daisho in >battle. "Be consistent"...ok. >We seek to destroy evil at its roots, be it the Unmaker's Shadow, the Ten >Masters' Children, the Dark Kami's Taint, >or Iuchiban's Brood. I'd say live and let live, but most of those are trying to do bad things to us...although I don't remember ever hearing what Iuchiban wanted in the first place, and I've never heard of the Ten Masters' Children.... > We are Dragon. We are eternal. We are the paradox and the >riddle. We walk the thousand paths and the single way, journeying without >end. Um....sure. > We were founded to observe, understand, and protect the Empire. Ok. +--+ |\/| -Mirumoto Kharon |/\| chron_d@hotmail.com +--+ Telekinesis: It's the thought that counts. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From ericjj30 at home.com Sun Jun 24 18:34:16 2001 From: ericjj30 at home.com (Eric Jacobson) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:20 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... References: <004d01c0fb46$11716320$0489aec7@home> Message-ID: <007a01c0fcfd$cdd9c3a0$2d4a0641@sxflls1.sd.home.com> > 1) This is completely against what our Kami died for and his son > preaches. > > How do you reconcile being a Dragon and following this dark path? Isn't > > this like being a Chatholic prostitute? > > My friend, I am following the dictates of our Kami. Just twisting the letter > a little. See, Togashi searched for knowledge, understanding, and > enlightenment. However, everyone wants to forget that there is a flip side > to this and only seek knowledge and enlightenment as long as it remains in > the confines of their beliefs as samurai (I.E: if it's not appropriate to > bushido or religion, it's not there). I and my comrades seek a more complete > understanding of the universe, and that includes the stuff that no one wants > to talk about. In order to know the evil, you must become the evil. Actually, Togashi stood AGAINST Fu Leng and his minions, helping the people of Rokugan to stand free of the Taint of the Shadowlands and empowering them with his wisdom and enlightenment through Shinsei. It is one thing to seek knowledge through experience (and often very painful) and entirely another to seek wisdom through other's experience. Can you honestly tell me that the taint has ever ended well for the person bearing it? Even Tadaka, the great Master of Earth sought to master the Taint, but ended in excruciating pain and death on the Day of Thunder. The honorable part is he used the Taint to benefit the empire. True Evil comes for bearing Taint on your soul for your own benefit. What is it you seek on the path you walk? Hitomi Jaek Dragon Clan Laughseeker * Shugenja * Tattooed Comedian "So this Akodo walks into the sake-house..." From BlinkFury at aol.com Sun Jun 24 20:22:28 2001 From: BlinkFury at aol.com (BlinkFury@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:20 2003 Subject: [HDM] tainted dragon movement Message-ID: <80.c1edbc0.2867d034@aol.com> My friends, I honestly must say that I did not join the Tainted Dragon Movement just to win games. With Gold Edition soon upon us, tainted decks are going to be less powerful than previous versions due to rising honor requirements. Will i play tainted decks full of shadows, onis and kolats. Yes. By the way how often have non tainted Dragon decks made a real impact on the storyline? When something is not working you fix it. Hitomi Anthony Dragon Clan Duelist Samurai Tattooed Keeper of the Dark Lady's Memory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010624/b04eff48/attachment.html From Kyn1000 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 21:06:03 2001 From: Kyn1000 at aol.com (Kyn1000@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 20:39:20 2003 Subject: Testing 2 Message-ID: I haven't gotten a couple messages I've sent in the past day or so. If anyone gets this by 8 central time, please reply personally to me (time limit so I don't get 2000 mails =) Thanks Kyn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010624/2deb75ac/attachment.html From mazinman at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 04:40:56 2001 From: mazinman at yahoo.com (David Rodriguez) Date: Sun May 11 20:40:01 2003 Subject: To All Dragons... In-Reply-To: <00cb01c0fadd$0c954740$9cec79a5@home> Message-ID: <20010622104056.55090.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Will Gaines wrote 1.)Do you feel any blood-curdling urges that wake you in the night, forcing you to want to strangle cute bunnies and merry woodland creatures? S- No, although I have a secret crush on Shahai-Chan which involves its own blood curdling urges. 2.)Are you interested in seeing crazy tattooed men run around Rokugan wreaking havoc, spreading Taint, and laying the all-around smackdown on those who might oppose us? No. I got enough of that watching the media and the Republicans during the Florida fiasco, actually. That's only because George W. Bush is a Kolat. S- He's a Kolat?! How did he get in? I thought they required a intelligence examination for entrance. 3.)Do you want to see what would REALLY happen if Hoshi gave his name to an Oni? S- Naw. Already saw when he gave his dignity, loyalty, and better judgement to a bunch of snakes. Wasn't that entertaining. 4.)Would you like to abuse your samurai privileges and kill heimin and hinin just because "they looked at you funny" or "they smell like cabbage"? Yeah, well, it's frowned upon in samurai culture to go around chopping another feudal lord's serfs. And after a couple of dozen, it could be constituted as abuse. Hinin are totally different, you can kill lots of them, except geisha. S- Yeah but it's so hard to just have 1, or 2..... or 27. - Shujyo --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20010622/a465538a/attachment.html